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By: John Bourassa
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:06 AM

I used to think that 2 + 2 = 4 and it was absolute until I heard recently that young students are now learning in school something called APPROXIMATE MATHEMATICS.   I have no knowledge of its principles but I am certain it must have some meaningful applications somehow, somewhere, for something.  In fact, I believe that this method of calculations dates back to the 12th Century AD used by the Italians to calculate the hyperbola of the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

 

I wish they would have taught me that system when I was in school; it would have spared me many a time the embarrassment of passing math, algebra and science tests on the curve.  Imagine that:  42 ÷ 7 = 8 and the teacher would say “That’s close enough, John. You pass.”  Even better yet, have that sort of testing on all real estate courses – no more convoluted multiple-guess answers, only approximate ones would suffice.

 

To further my knowledge, I need your help.  Using the APPROXIMATE MATHEMATICS’ method, based on your experience, what is your estimation for the following questions?:

 

After you have been working with potential buyers and they say “we will think it over and we’ll call you tomorrow…,”

1.      What are the probabilities that they will indeed call you back the next day as promised (not you calling them; they calling you back)?

2.      And if they don’t call you back but you keep following up with them for awhile, what are the chances they will buy a property from you?

  

John Confused

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Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

John - In order to arrive at a probability you need to look at the Law of averages. If you took the number of times this situation arose in numerous trials, the fraction of occurrences of the event will get closer to the probability of the occurrence in one trial. It is possible to quantify it through standard deviations. This would provide you a range above and below the predicted outcome, where the actual results are likely to be.

However, having said that, I would just keep calling and not wait for them to call. “Please stop calling me”, is a good indication that they are lost and a good point to stop the calls. No math involved.

John you have to stop this, you gave me a headache with this one. I try not to tax myself late at night.

May 28, 2007 11:08 PM
Freda Hoskins, REALTOR®
Member Since '06

Freda Hoskins, REALTOR® said:

1. Possibly no... but probably yes.

2. Possibly yes... but probably no.

;)))))))))

Freda Hoskins, Realtor®

Sandpoint, Idaho

http://www.idahomesnorth.com

May 29, 2007 1:09 AM
Kathy  McGraw
Member Since '07

Kathy McGraw said:

If I had to approximate the probability, I would not put anyone on hold when the phone rang......

May 29, 2007 2:17 AM
Lew Corcoran
Member Since '03

Lew Corcoran said:

1. The probability is: "Slim to none," and Slim left town.

2. Slim left town, remember?

May 29, 2007 4:32 AM
Joe Schutt
Member Since '06

Joe Schutt said:

I like multiple choice the best...I pick d.) None of the above, but maybe, but can't be too sure.

May 29, 2007 4:52 AM
Phil Rotondo
Member Since '04

Phil Rotondo said:

I'll let you know the answers tomorrow....

May 29, 2007 6:43 AM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

If I wanted to hear about approximate mathematics, I'd look in my kids's backpacks, thank you!

Call them and ask "On which house we saw yesterday do you want to make an offer?"

May 29, 2007 6:49 AM
Mark Cohen
Member Since '03

Mark Cohen said:

After you leave 3 messages on their voicemail and send them 3 messages by email and get no reply, its time to get the message.  Move on to the next prospect.  Yes, I have been there and have a similar situation now.  They came from another city 3 times to look at the same condo and now have completely disappeared.  No contact at all.  I am checking the property appraiser's site to see if they bought something else, but nothing yet.

In the meantime I closed on 2 other homes where both buyers and sellers were nice, friendly, motivated, and easy to work with and communicate with.  The moral to the story is to not be concerned with the ones who disappear and be thankful for the people who want and use your services.

May 29, 2007 7:10 AM
Sagine Morgan
Member Since '06

Sagine Morgan said:

I agree with Mark......... it is time to move on and focus on the motivated ones....... However, from those who have been in the business a while is there something that we can do at the beginning to have an idea if they are tire kickers or not and save us time and money ......... of course besides qualifying and sometimes gut instinct!!!

Sagine

May 29, 2007 7:40 AM
Velda Miller
Member Since '03

Velda Miller said:

Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle   :)

May 29, 2007 8:01 AM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

John, I know I will go on with my life and not hold my breath and take time to do the math. I was alot better at English anyway. But I am so glad to hear about the new math, I have been doing it that way for years. Ok, not quite 10 but not 5 either so somewhere in between. I can live like that. JK

May 29, 2007 8:09 AM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

Veda - I must take issue with your incorrect use of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. The Uncertainty Principal deals with measurement and observation. In order to properly apply the principal we would have to have the acts of “observation” and “measurement” defined in quantum term before the questions even make sense. Since that is impossible in this case, the principle is not applicable and quantum mechanics would be an improper application for a solution.

However, if we just utilize the Uncertainty portion we are now cooking with gas.  Since we don’t know why these people have not called back, the solution is not mathematical at all! We just pick up the phone and ask them!

May 29, 2007 8:48 AM
Klaus Nicholson
Member Since '07

Klaus Nicholson said:

My approximate math draws me to the conclusion of around 27% for your 1st question and 6% for the 2nd question.  When judging these results take into consideration that I'm only taxing my memory for a period of the past 12 months.  If during this 12 month period more than a couple  hundred brain cells died then my answers could be skewed drastically.

The people that I work with do so because they need a realtor.  If it comes down to personalities, I don't ever plan to win them all.  In regards to staying in touch, I follow up depending on their needs.  If there is no sense of urgency then I give them plenty of space, I may follow up in a week or two or a month.  I presently have prospects that are as far off as 13 months.  I have been pleasantly surprised twice this year by contacts that I nearly removed from my database.

May 29, 2007 8:56 AM
Mipeco Realty, Inc -  Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner
Member Since '03

Mipeco Realty, Inc - Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner said:

I'd say my approximate chances are

1. 5%

2. 25%

Aside from that, I'd say probably 50 - 60% of my buyer contracts are written right the day of the showing, sometimes on the spot if the property is vacant ... so I like that probability much more!

I would say that teaching kids approximate mathematics is a total nonsense ... I have a middleschooler who had it just this past year ... it just messes their minds even more.

May 29, 2007 9:09 AM
Mark Cohen, Broker
Member Since '03

Mark Cohen, Broker said:

Sagine, there are many ways to qualify buyers to see how motivated and financially and emotionally able they are.  The problem is that none of the methods are foolproof and even the best of us get surprised every so often.  I had my prospect completely qualified on all counts and they even came from over 100 miles away 3 times to see the same 4 condos in the same building, then disappeared.  A mystery that will remain unsolved until either they contact me again or they buy using someone else.  

The best way to qualify is to ask many questions - a detailed interview - before finding properties to show.  If possible get financial info or take them to a lender too.  Narrow it down to not more than 5 or 6 properties.  Then while showing keep asking questions - narrow down the possibilities to 1 or 2.  It almost always works.  Don't show too many properties.  Do listen, listen, listen to your buyers.

May 29, 2007 10:20 AM
Sagine Morgan
Member Since '06

Sagine Morgan said:

Thank you Mark....... That is what I do but as you say, even the ones you think would be the best prospects still disappear.....

Sagine

May 29, 2007 12:35 PM
Jay Rogers, ABR, C-CREC, ePRO
Member Since '07

Jay Rogers, ABR, C-CREC, ePRO said:

1. 50% / 50% - think possitive - they either will or they wont.

2. Ditto

May 29, 2007 3:01 PM

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