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Who is to blame?

By: John Bourassa
Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:03 PM

Lately, lenders are facing to deal with a grave foreclosure phenomenon that is sweeping the Nation with vigor. And, of course, everyone is weeping torrents over their financial ruin.

Yesterday, I spoke with a trustworthy mortgage broker whom I have established a dependable relationship over the years. She pointed out a very disturbing factor that everyone in the lending industry failed to consider while qualifying borrowers during the past buyers’ frenzy years.

Rewinding the DVD back a few years, during the hysterical home-buying delirium, lenders became very clever to accommodate borrowers by introducing exotic loan programs which raised the financing bar to ensure everyone would have a fair chance to qualify for a mortgage. And lenders succeeded while walking on the fence to suit borrowers.

Naturally, they have followed the proper formula (Loan to Value vs. Debt Ratio, etc.) and with some leeway, they managed to place customers in somewhat risqué loans.

Things are sailing along smoothly for a several months until mortgage payments start to come in late or skipped. This is becoming a pattern and the brain-surgeons of the lending world formed a think-tank consortium to find where lies the problem.

They concluded that the culprit is not the high mortgage payment, or not the high property tax, or not the exorbitant cost of insurance but it is the credit card debt. That is what was omitted in the equation.

By the time customers applied for their loans, their credit was adequate or perfectly clean. Therefore, lenders conformed based on what the customer’s condition was at the time of the loan application. Then, customers have the loan in hand and they make their payments on time but they can’t resist the temptation of enjoying an easy life filled with all the contemporary living necessities their new house and family require.

 How does one indulge now without money? F...... charge it, of course!

The power of credit cards is sneaky. It is so easy to acquire not only one credit card but as many as one can apply for. So, here they are with 20 credit cards and a potential purchasing power of $50K +: Kids need braces, new clothes for each member of the family as needed, new TV for each bedroom, a full computer gear for each child with DSL service, bicycles, school books, un-necessary eating out every other night of the week, car repairs, ITM withdrawals for cash, kids special tuition, vacation, etc.

My mortgage broker friend told me that most of those people who are in financial deep s... now is because they have not managed their credit cards properly.

I think it makes perfect sense. I know friends who are almost here. They live way beyond their means seduced by spending temptations.

As professional Realtors® , we have a responsibility to disclose that element to our potential buyers.

John

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Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

John, it's my God given American RIGHT to live beyond my means. This whole thing is your fault - you are to blame.

Brother, can you spare a dime?

June 7, 2007 9:33 PM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

That solves that, lets blame John. Good job Gregory. However, todays young couples want what mom and dad have. Only they want it now. Mom and dad had to struggle and save up to buy things they own. The younger generation (did I really say that) want it now and if cc is how to get it then so be it. It will cost them twice as much with interest rates, but as long as they can buy their stuff, they are happy.

It is the drive through generation and I am finding myself not wanting to wait for what I want either. We try not to use cc at all. But when doing a flip like we are now, we will need to use them. I will pay them off as soon as we sell the property, but I know when I sign that cc slip, it is actual, physical MONEY. And it didn't grow on a tree.

June 7, 2007 10:24 PM
Carmen and Jeff Bills
Member Since '07

Carmen and Jeff Bills said:

I agree it's John's fault he hit it right on the MONEY

June 7, 2007 10:44 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Affluenza strikes again!

http://www.pbs.org/kcts/affluenza/

:)

June 8, 2007 8:11 AM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

Candice, if we are to follow the line of reasoning established by Gregory, we will at least have to say that John is a carrier of Affluenza so it is still his fault...lol

June 8, 2007 8:16 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

LOL Mary . . . John, wonder if you can get a cash advance to help poor Gregory out?  ;)  ;)  ;)

June 8, 2007 9:21 AM
James Smith
Member Since '03

James Smith said:

John,

The thing with those credit cards is if you pay them off every month they increase your limit. I have three cards one from each of the major companies and I could run up close to $50,000 in debt if I was to max them out.   And of course if I was to miss a payment the interest rate on them would sky rocket and at that point it would be almost impossible to get out of debt again.  

June 8, 2007 11:26 AM
Brady Pevehouse
Member Since '05

Brady Pevehouse said:

John, I will agree with you to a point, but I find it hard to believe someone would pay a credit card before they pay a mortgage payment.

I believe the real culprit is taxes and insurance. The agent and mortgage broker qualified the buyer on existing taxes on the property, which really goes back to a problem Florida created for itself with the Save our Homes issue.

When the property value is re-asseded and taxes double and add $300 or $400 more in monthly payments from what they were qualified for, the homeowner can no longer afford the home. So they miss 1 payment then make the next possibly, but then miss the next one. CC only add to the mix, but we need to implement the education that property values have increased and taxes follow the property value.

This puts the buyer in default, not foreclosure which is why there are many more defaults than foreclosures but are signal of what is to come.

I am also a mortgage broker as well as a real estate agent. My client 2 days ago, kept asking what the taxes were on each property we visited, I CONSTANTLY had to tell him the range he should expect to pay is the same because we were looking at properties in the same range. Where one property that was owned by the owner for 8 years is $1800 a year, another who had the owner in it for 2 years hat taxes around $3600. That is for homes priced in the $300k range. Imagine what it is like for someone that went with an interest only payment so they could qualify for a $500k house instead of the $350k house they should have been looking for. I do my best to put clients into homes they will be happy with 5 and 10 years down the road, so after the first year they are not calling asking why their taxes have shot up. We are in the process of getting clients to sign a form stating they understand the tax issue, in an effort to make sure they understand all aspects of homeownership. Which I believe is our duties as Realtors. Protect the client and inform the client.

I am not saying your wrong, just "maybe" not 100% right.  

June 8, 2007 12:31 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

James, there is no way you should be walking around with that kind of debt potential. Because I'm a nice guy and always willing to help, send those three cards to me. I will send you by email the authorization form for you to sign and return. I will help you secure your financial future. You have heard of Suze Orman? So have I, so don't be afraid to send me those cards. Do it today.

Please don't help me here, Candice. Shhhh

June 8, 2007 12:37 PM
Klaus Nicholson
Member Since '07

Klaus Nicholson said:

It's your fault John you're the messenger.  From my experience and it is limited,  adjustable rates killed a few mortgages around here.

James when those card companies offer 0% interest for a year again max them out!

June 8, 2007 3:36 PM
Joe Leksich
Member Since '06

Joe Leksich said:

There are so many factors to this, this blog could go on forever.

One BIG problem is banks advertising to take a vacation on your home.  Consolidate your debt in your home.  Remodel you house..........  

So lets see here, if you spend all the equity in your home on a vaction then what happens if you lose your job and have to sell your home???  Not to mention you will pay for that vacation for 30 years.

Ok, how about this.  Lets remodel our home and over improve it.  Then decide to sell because you are being relocated...  Hmmm  can't sell cause you owe to much???

This is my favorite.  Lets consolidate our debt into our home.  Lets take your car loans, boat loan, credit cards and so on and put them on your mortgage.  Hmmm  The math doesn't make sence to me.  Car and boat loan are for 5 years.  Now you get to pay on them for 30!

One more...  Lets refinance your mortgage every year because we are going to save 1/8% on our interest.  So that means we restart our 30 year mortage all over again.  And to top it off your mortgage interest to priciple starts over to with paying mostly interest.

Banks & mortgage brokers looking to make a quick buck are largely to blame for this.  They do not have the clients best interest in mind when doing a loan for these reasons.

And finally.  Appraisers are a big problem here.  I have seen appraisers appraise a home for twice its real value more than once.  Now the sellers are losing their homes to the bank.  

June 8, 2007 8:00 PM
John  Bourassa
Member Since '03

John Bourassa said:

Brady,

Rething the problem one more time:  Why do you think there are so many loans in default now?:  

Yes, after buying a property, insurance and property tax will just about double the year after the purchase. However, those expenses will be an annual constant on living expenses where as credit cards are a flexible and addictive tool to indulge in superfluous spending.  People don't have a choice to get insurance and pay their property tax but they have a choice to NOT use their credit cards and tighten their belts like our parents did.  Therefore,  improper use of credit cards come after to those necessary evils.

Today's average family income, people could get by with paying a substantial mortgage, high property incurances and taxes, car payments and car insurance, utilities, food and occasional  conservative mini luxuries.  But NO, we live an a "want it now society" and we want the best.  And how can we acquire all those luxuries? With card leverage.

Therefore, it is very difficult to argue with that conclusion which points the finger to the credit cards.  Credit card spending is not necessary, therefore, it is the culprit.

John

June 8, 2007 8:48 PM
James Smith
Member Since '03

James Smith said:

Gregory,

I keep an eye on those cards and monitor them online.  I am considering to have the limits lowered on them, but we sometimes need them when purchasing large items and inventory for my wifes business. Even then we manage most time to pay them off at the end of the month.

And, Yes I have seen Susan on the tube...I have put some of her advice to good use. That is why I only have three cards...!!!

June 9, 2007 7:54 AM

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