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Warning! Red Flag! Stop!

By: Gail Griffin
Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:51 PM

Warning: If you receive an offer with one signature from a married person, counter back for a notarized Inter-spousal Transfer Deed within ten days after acceptance. This should be received directly from escrow.

Warning: Do not allow another person, (friend or family member) of your buyer to take care of their dealings with their lender during escrow unless they have "Power of Attorney".

Warning :Do not allow one day to go by after the contigency deadline if you do not have the removal. Otherwise send a "notice to Perform".

Warning: Before entering escrow, check the co-operating agent's license status with the state.

Warning: If seller plans to stay on the property more than 3 days after the close of escrow, be sure you have rent back instructions in writing with a daily rent amount.

Warning: Do not allow the buyers access of any kind to the property until the deed is recorded.

Warning: Do not highlight any part of the Purchase Agreement including areas your client needs to sign. This could be considered "leading" in a court of law.

Any others?

 

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Jana Davis & Virginia Houghton
Member Since '05

Jana Davis & Virginia Houghton said:

Holy cow what happened Gail?

Jana

August 14, 2007 4:18 PM
Gail Griffin
Member Since '03

Gail Griffin said:

There were only a few that got me into trouble...the others are big red flags that Tarbell has given us. The first one  I listed was an escrow fall out. The buyer was a married man taking title as his sole and separate property. He intended to put his wife on title after close of escrow. Well, during escrow they had a big falling out and filed for divorce. The buyer still wanted the property, but the buyer's wife would not sign the inter-spousal transfer. We were ready to fund and record and that was the only thing holding up the closing. We waited a week...she refused. So we re-listed.

August 14, 2007 4:24 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

I'm sure you are well intentioned, Gail, but I think you're going to get some push-back from RElib readers on most of these directions.  I see quite a bit of room in most of them for gray areas.  

Example:  #5 regarding occupation/possession of the property after escrow.  Unless a particular contract was previously agreed to by all parties which allowed the Seller to remain on/in the property until 3 or more days after close.  

Perhaps if just needs further descriptives of the situation you are trying to warn us about.   But, what you have stated would not allow the Seller in OREGON to stay in possession beyond the agreed to possession date and time.   Not for 1 hour or 1 day, let alone 3.

Or, perhaps I AM missing the point, which is totally possible!   It's hot here in Oregon today that old Sun might be interfering with my common sense!

August 14, 2007 4:28 PM
Gail Griffin
Member Since '03

Gail Griffin said:

My point is to be careful with these few issues and if any other RElibers out there have had any other red flags, to share them.

Your example...yes, the contract specifically states the seller cannot stay on the property beyond the agreed date. There have been cases where the seller did not vacate the property when required and because there was no stipuation in the contract for a rent back amount, the seller stayed on the property 14 days after COE for free at an extreem inconvenience to the buyers and left the property a mess. So my point...although the contract states 3 days, one should also add in the agreement that if the seller stays on the property more than those 3 days, an accupancy agreement then goes into affect for rents, insurance, etc. This is just a safety net should things go south.

August 14, 2007 4:51 PM
Gail Griffin
Member Since '03

Gail Griffin said:

okay...occupancy! That was a typo!

August 14, 2007 4:52 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

Cool, Gail.  Not trying to be a thorn in your side.  Just thought maybe all your suggestions might be kind of, "To increase your enjoyment at closing you might think about these items and make sure that you are comfortable with each situation in general...", rather than, "NEVER DO THESE".

Nice post, Gail.  

August 14, 2007 5:35 PM
Gail Griffin
Member Since '03

Gail Griffin said:

Thanks Phil. I guess my approach came off a bit too direct which was not the intent. I want to know the red flags to watch out for and these are a few that I have learned myself and from others. If anyone has any that they have heard about, or have experienced, it would be great to hear them. I want to learn as much as possible to make sure everything goes smoothly in every transaction. Learning from others how to prevent potential problems is the best way.

I had one escrow fall out because the son interfered with the loan process for his mother (my client). I had no idea he was talking directly with the lender and then had his mother change lenders in the middle of the transaction without my knowledge. The loan officer didn't even contact me....thus the second warning! Hey...there has got to be some more warnings out there! I want to hear them...I want to be warned!

August 14, 2007 10:13 PM
Bob Mitchell
Member Since '04

Bob Mitchell said:

Here in Michigan most occupancy rates start on the day of closing, I normally keep 1 and 1/2 times the agreed upon rate and days in escrow lately I have been having a problem with broom cleaned condition so I am keeping a $350 clean out deposit also for my buyers.

I have worried about highlighting parts of the PA with my initial here sign here stamps, I am working on that.

In Michigan a married man can not buy real estate without his wifes acknowledgement, married women can do it all day long.

Contingency deadlines we allways want extended if we need to, in our market we do not want buyers able to walk free and clear.

August 15, 2007 12:47 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Real estate's local and of course the instructions will vary state to state, locale to locale.

However, Gail's message was not lost on me . . . it's simple:

PAY ATTENTION. :)

August 15, 2007 6:37 AM
Tim and Susan Fennell
Member Since '06

Tim and Susan Fennell said:

CANDICE!

Thanks for being there for those of us with adult Attention Deficit Disorder! LOL

August 15, 2007 6:51 AM
Lori Bee, NC/SC Owner/BIC
Member Since '03

Lori Bee, NC/SC Owner/BIC said:

WARNING: If they won't present ID --- stop!

I appreciate the other warnings up above, but so many times we take it for granted that we know we are dealing with, when we really don't!

I once had a man introduce himself as "Howard" but when he wanted me to write up the contract, he said to write it up under the name of "Jackie Robinson."   I said, "Isn't that a dead baseball player?"   He said, "I can find 5 other agents to write it up that way."   I replied, "Well, fine go get one of them, but I won't until I see some ID."

Of course he didn't have it.  And long story short, he was charging a finder's fee (illegal commission), writing up deals in a bogus name, and flipping them into a Rent To Own Deal, and take off with all the money.  Total fraud.  We (my BIC and I at the time) reported him to the SEC and FBI....

Get this he was an ex-Panthers football player, who was actually physically threatening other agents on these deals.

Now I know to ID everyone.   Lot's of weird stuff going on out there!

August 15, 2007 8:09 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

LOL Tim, stick wit me I'll keep you focused!

Lori, that is just scary and very worth mentioning . . . whenever they do the high pressure "other agents will" that means another agent SHOULD (or no agent should, as the case may be) . . .

August 15, 2007 9:33 AM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

WARNING!:  If the preliminary title report shows that the husband (or  wife) has a Death Certificate filed in any public records, you probably have need for concern!

Don't scoff at me!   This happened to me last year!   A nice lady called me from far off Las Vegas, saying she and her hubby wanted to buy a home here in Portland, Oregon.  I never spoke with the husband. I hooked the wife up with a lender here and we were off and running.  They had funds in the bank (CDs) and got thru the loan pre-approval process.

The wife found a property online, I visited it, and sent them lots of photos and a video-CD of the house.  And they made a "sight-unseen" offer which was accepted.   They hired an inspector, etc., and we were moving to close quickly.

But the prelim title report showed that the husband had died 6 months prior to her contacting me...  Funds were in limbo and a fight was ensuing in probate over distribution to heirs...

Bye-bye, deal!

August 15, 2007 10:24 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Oh Lordy! There are so many risk reduction techniques we all need to use. If not risk reduction, time and grief reduction.

I sent Shelly a 'thought' to do a post on that very thing . . . perhaps Phil or Gail should! Someone should!  :)

August 15, 2007 11:04 AM
Gail Griffin
Member Since '03

Gail Griffin said:

Wow Phil and Lori...thanks for sharing! Those are the things I want to hear about! Crazy things you do not expect that can be prevented by knowing where to look for potential problems. There are a lot of agents out there that can learn from our past griefs.

Thanks Candice. I hope Shelly takes the time to do a post.

August 15, 2007 12:03 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Gail, if you want to hear more, I strongly suggest taking the ABR course. You'll get the fear of God put in you . . . changes the way you do business.  

August 15, 2007 12:19 PM
Gail Griffin
Member Since '03

Gail Griffin said:

I took the GRI classes and they were intense....information overload at times. I have the fear of God in me...it's there big time! I will look into the ABR course...the more I learn the better.

Thanks so much Candice.

August 15, 2007 7:05 PM
Bob Campbell
Member Since '07

Bob Campbell said:

Who would have ever thought to compare the handwriting of the signatures on a contract?  My clients were buying from a Father / Daughter ownership of an investment property.  The day before closing, the title company contacts me to notify me that the Father never signed the contract (or the listing) and is just finding out that the house is for sale and under contract, and that the daughter had signed his name for him.  (They were in the middle of a dispute over $$ at the time.) After reviewing the details with the title company, and a 3 day delay, he decided to go forward with the sale - and waited in the lobby for his cut of the proceeds.  And... his daughter was the listing agent!!  At least my clients had a happy ending (getting the property).

August 16, 2007 7:47 PM
Lori Bee, NC/SC Owner/BIC
Member Since '03

Lori Bee, NC/SC Owner/BIC said:

Hopefully bumping this back to the top, because I think in the last few months, more and more fraud is happening.   Agents should be forewarned again about some of these scams.

The big deal here in Charlotte now is non-disclosed bonuses.  Beazer homes paid millions to Realty Place (located primarily in the malls) to bring them buyers, and no one disclosed it.  Both are out of business now.  

Been tons of mortgage fraud discovered all over the board too.   And many a good agent is being taken down by these deals where they don't follow their gut or do their homework.  Sometimes the money is just not worth it folks!

May 21, 2008 1:00 PM
Mipeco Realty, Inc -  Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner
Member Since '03

Mipeco Realty, Inc - Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner said:

many of the things mentioned here don't apply to us in Illinois ... we don't have escrows and what's more important, the paperwork is done by attorneys (other than writing up the offer, getting the contracts signed and taking listing contracts). But there's still a plenty of room to screw up.

May 21, 2008 1:24 PM

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