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Storm Water Management

By: Justin Stranere
Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:28 AM

Hello All,

 Has anyone dealt w/ property that has had a newer storm water mangement system installed?? 

I am working w/ buyers and we are in escrow on a property in Doylestown Township, Bucks County Pa.  It is new construction on a 1 acre lot in an older established development. The township has an existing stormwater system in for the entire 25+ yr old neighborhood. Township code requires any new lot/house to include in their building plans a design for an on site storm water management system. This was briefly mentioned in the listing data, but nothing in depth was shown to us. Every time we went out to the property the front and back yard had surface water and areas of ponding, and we were told the builder would do some grading and germination in spring to correct it.......but not to worry.  After doing some due diligience and tracking down the plan design and speaking w/ several engineers that were/are involved........we are told that this house has a surface basin design taking up a majority of the back yard.  It is basically a surface detention basin that holds the  storm water for 18-48 hrs on the property.....to have it slowly go into the ground/water table.

The logic is that the state and townships don't water new construction having any further impact on the streams and roads and cause any further erosion.  So now most new properties will have to have these storm systems designed to keep the storm water on the actual property and slowly have it dissipate into the ground to prevent any negative impact on the neighbors and surrounding area.  I am all for protecting the environment and preventing negative impact.......but,  

Wouldn't you think this is something that has a big impact on a property should be fully described up front??  If my clients new they were going to have a pond in their yard evey time it rains a little........they deserve to know up front.  Needless to say we have worked w/ two engineers and should have a resolution to all of this to address their concerns............but this is my first experience w/ a storm water design like this and wanted to get some input from some of you.

 If I didn't go to the township myself and pull the entire folder, we would have never been told about this and the real effect it has on the homeowner.  Neither the township nor the seller wanted to fully disclose all of the facts and they made it seem like this was normal............My only advice is to take the time to review all twp info on new construction........there was data in that folder that even the builder wasn't aware of and it really allowed me to do right by my client. It seems that most township's try to have the interest of the people at large........but this is clearly a case where the laws and regulations don't necessarily have the homeowner's best interest at heart.

Any insight would be more than welcomed..........

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Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Good job Justin !  This is a great example of protecting your buyer - or covering your ***, or both : )

Sounds like the locals don't really want more development. I can see how a builder would choose this method because it is logically feasible, complies with zoning, and low cost...

However, as a quality of life issue, this solution seems totally WRONG.  I would take my buyers elsewhere unless they were truly committed to the location and timing of this deal.  

If they are committed, get something in writing that indicates you explained this storm water management thing to them and offered to show them other houses....  One of the best ways to do this is to send them an email about this and ask them to reply indicating if they want to see more houses...  Their reply puts you on record that you offered information and service - but then were loyal to their instructions.  Legally airtight while true to your obligations as an agent.  

January 6, 2008 1:24 PM
John Rainville
Member Since '06

John Rainville said:

Justin:

I am in PA too and have seen other sytems where they are a gravel "pit" that is under the yard to handle the water. Then there is no standing water issue.  Might be an idea to inquire about. They are more expensive than just doing the grading for the present system. West Nile would be a concern of mine.

January 6, 2008 3:54 PM
Jeannie Kontis
Member Since '07

Jeannie Kontis said:

I am in PA as well, and I have heard that many townships are requiring additional storm water systems where there are single lots being built.  Most of the home I've come across, though, have the underground gravel pits that were mentioned above.  If your folks really like this particular lot, its something they should look in to.  You can't tell by looking at the property that it has been installed, as it's under ground.

January 8, 2008 6:35 AM

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