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Karen Weger

I need immediate help on opinion of a verbal acceptance, Help.

By: Karen Weger
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:43 PM

Hello you all!  I have a listing for $245,000 that has been a hard to move property. Very unique. We had a full price offer come in a few days ago, it was accepted, then during the option period the folks decided against it after doing research with the city on possible future zoning.  I had another offer come in just before this one, for only $200k and long option period, etc...Now that the $245,000 one broke out I called the buyers agent on the $200k offer and told them it was back. We had sent them an invitation earlier to submit a better offer. Last night we countered back and forth with seller and buyer until we worked out a verbal agreement. The buyer has not yet signed nor the seller. Agent said they would get off work around 6 our time and do it.

About 6 months ago a neighbor was interested, doing a 1031 exchange. Never did, kept us hanging for months, kept trying to get the price down. They called me this afternoon and ask if it was sold. I was honest and told them we had a verbal but nothing signed, present an offer. They said they would call me back in a little while. The above mentioned verbal is an owner finance this one would be cash. So............I know we wrote about this before, but since it is now me happening to, what do I do. Nothing signed. Present all offers. Seller decides...right. But problem is this cash buyer would be my buyer, the other has an a buyers agent. Seller will be confused and ask my advice.

All advice will be considered. I have a call into seller. No answer. Help....

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Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

Wow!  Karen, you must work in your Seller's best interests.  Amount of offer, terms, etc.   What works best for them.

Here's a possible solution.  Ask all Buyers to submit their highest and best offers in a sealed envelope, not to be opened until at the table with the Seller.  Invite any other Buyer Agents involved to be present thereby eliminating any charges of favoritism.  If the other Agents don't accept, at least you asked, just to be above board.

Once they're opened, you and Sellers discuss pros and cons of each.  Other Agents, if they choose to be present (is it that important to them?) will be able to offer their point of view.  

Your Sellers don't have to make a decision on the spot and they need to be told this before the offers are presented.  They get 24 hours to decide....and they can still decide not to sell at any of the prices/terms offered!  It's all up to them.  It's still their house!

June 27, 2007 5:31 PM
Brian  Wurster
Member Since '07

Brian Wurster said:

There is no such thing as a verbal offer. Period.

June 27, 2007 5:50 PM
Karen Weger
Member Since '05

Karen Weger said:

Thank you both. Oh, yes, Cathy I planned on it. Did not mean to make out like I would be partial. In fact the opposite. I would not want to be in the position of the other offer being mine and it look like I favored one or the other, that is why I mentioned. I did talk to the seller. In Texas our word is good. She is honoring her verbal, as long as the contract comes in before the other, they are working on it now, she told me to tell the other person, please put a back up, because the first does have an option period. It is not as simple as put in all offers, because

June 27, 2007 5:55 PM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

Karen, I didn't mean to infer that you would place your own offer above others.  I apologize if it sounded that way.  I was just trying to give you a way to avoid the "appearance" of impropriety.  We've done this on several occasions.  In some cases, our offer has been accepted, on others, not.  It's all about what the Seller's want.  Good Luck!

June 27, 2007 6:09 PM
Jana Davis & Virginia Houghton
Member Since '05

Jana Davis & Virginia Houghton said:

Karen verbal is not in writing.  I have had some verbals that mysteriously changed once we got the paperwork.  It is time to bring in your Broker.  Call the buyer's agent and let them know not to submit their offer to you but to your Broker, you submit your offer to your Broker also.  Let your Broker deal with the seller.  If the buyer's agent wants to be present that is even better.  Have them present their offer to your seller & the Broker, then you can present your offer.  Best offer wins.  :)  I will pull for you!

Jana

June 27, 2007 6:54 PM
Gail Griffin
Member Since '03

Gail Griffin said:

I agree with Brian. With verbal communication, there can always be miscommunication. I always advise my clients to request a written offer and all negotiations to be done with counter offers only...no verbal negotiations. That way everything is on paper. The use of multiple offers with multiple counters work to eliminate any appearance of impropriety.

June 27, 2007 7:31 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

I can give you "verbal" acceptance right now and I do not even know you.

June 27, 2007 7:49 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

LOL Radley . . . "verbal's ain't worth the paper they're not written on" is what we always say.

I like Jana's approach. . . get a little elbow room between Karen and the offer(s) and let the broker help.

The GREAT news is that you have some offers for your seller. Or, should I say, potential offers.

It's feast or famine in this biz . . .

June 27, 2007 8:24 PM
Lu Cohen
Member Since '06

Lu Cohen said:

I made the mistake of giving a verbal offer to an agent last week...the seller was very very motivated...my buyers are cash buyers from the UK...the seller went down from 350K (one year ago on the market for 439K) to 315K....all of this verbal...went for tea with my whole family (invited by buyers) and they backed out....I was devastated and felt really bad for the seller and the other agent.  I never give verbals and I am not sure why I did for this particular couple....I have to remind myself no no no verbals...

As far as your own offer...the only time i had problems with agents having their own offers is that they take a point or two off their commisions to make it more appealing to the seller..and then you are out of deal...i like Cathy's idea to request to be there when the offers are presented....

June 28, 2007 6:40 AM
Dan  Grammatica, e-PRO
Member Since '05

Dan Grammatica, e-PRO said:

There is no deal til its signed by both parties.

"All verbal offers are best in writing."

As far as your buyers go, maybe you should have someone in your office do their negotiations, if you feel you can't do both sides.

June 28, 2007 7:38 AM
Karen Weger
Member Since '05

Karen Weger said:

Thank you all for the great feedback. It is strange how you really know all of this, but when you get caught up in the moment how easy it is to panic. I am going to take all of your advice. I know better.

And thanks Cathy!

I am lucky to have an offer on this property.

June 28, 2007 7:50 AM
Terry P. Geary
Member Since '03

Terry P. Geary said:

I swore I would never do a verbal offer again, until this week when a buyer gave me a verbal offer on a recreational property that I had listed. We negotiated an acceptable offer which both parties were happy with. Scheduled a meeting with the buyers to come in and sign the offer. You guessed it ...the buyers backed away.

I swear I will never do a verbal offer again.(at least till the next time)

June 28, 2007 9:29 AM
TOM DAVIS
Member Since '04

TOM DAVIS said:

Verbal Offer?  Accepted verbal offer?  That would be an agreement, not a contract.  Therefore it doesn't exist.  Tell the verbal offer agent that you are writing an offer yourself and give him the time and place that the offers will be dealt with.  If the other agent kicks and screams, that's their problem- they should have put in on paper on day 1.

June 28, 2007 10:22 AM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

Wait, I thought we had a "verbal" agreement.  I want keys to the house.

June 28, 2007 10:24 AM
TOM DAVIS
Member Since '04

TOM DAVIS said:

Sorry Radley, I forgot.  Obviously the house is yours!

June 28, 2007 11:57 AM
Kevin and Christina Stevens
Member Since '06

Kevin and Christina Stevens said:

There is no such thing as an accepted verbal offer in real estate.  You are just talking.  Nothing is final until it is signed and until that time you should, as a duty to your clients, present all offers, which is Texas is your duty.

Verbal offers are lame.  I understand that we all do it but it really means nothing and usually is a sign that someone is not really serious.  The agents of the other parties should know better.  If one party losses out to the other then they can blame nobody but themselves and their agent for not explaining that a verbal agreement is just plain talk and nothing more.

I have no come to a point in my life where I just laugh when an agent tries to give me a verbal offer.  I may listen but only b/c they are usually giving away some bit of information that I can use against them in negotiations, that is is I ever get the real written agreement.

The only time I do verbal is after I have r/c an initial offer and even then I know it is just me hearing myself speak.  it really is a waste of time but sometimes the counter can be a waste as well.

By the way if you got a full price offer and your clients are in no hurry to sell don't settle for some other offer just b/c they are disappointed about losing out.  They have waited this long and obviously someone agrees w/ the asking price.  

Good Luck and I hope it works out for you.

Christina Stevens

www.Galveston4sale.com

www.SanAntonio4sale.net

www.LasVegas4sale.net

June 28, 2007 12:56 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

Okay Tom, I will "assign" you my interest in the property for lots of cash.  One million.

Radley / Atlanta

June 28, 2007 1:42 PM
Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

A verbal offer is not an offer ... It has to be in writing.  I would confirm with the other agent that they understand that ... and, that you are going to review other offers.

I learned a hard lesson on this a few months ago.  I have an $8M listing and we got a written offer in on it for substantially less.  I sent it to the seller who chose not to respond.  I passed this on to the buyer's agent who then came back with a verbal offer.  That offer was within the range that my seller countered back verbally.

When I pressed the agent to put a response in writing ... he said that his buyer hadn't made the offer nor had he presented it that way (total falsehood) ...  & he was just trying to get a range to work in.

The bottom-line is that if my seller had accepted the initial verbal, I would have been in deep do-do.  At a minimum, I would  have lost the listing.  Worst, it would have had legal ramifications.  I was pretty scared once I fiqured out what the other agent had left me hanging in the wind.

So, no more verbals for me.  If it isn't in writing, I don't present it to my clients.

June 28, 2007 4:18 PM
Gloria Losie
Member Since '06

Gloria Losie said:

Talk, talk, talk, talk.  Nothing in writing means no offer.  It is so easy to retract a verbal.  Get it in writing for your own benefit.

June 28, 2007 4:31 PM
TOM DAVIS
Member Since '04

TOM DAVIS said:

Gloria you have no need to retract a verbal, since it isn't a contract in the first place.  Radley- I verbally accept your verbal assisgnment of the interest you verbally obtained in the property in question.  I wouldn't mind verbally flipping it for $2 million.  Verbal offers only please.

June 28, 2007 4:54 PM
Gloria Losie
Member Since '06

Gloria Losie said:

Tom:

You just retracted a verbal verbally.  That is not fair.

June 28, 2007 5:17 PM
Vance Remele
Member Since '06

Vance Remele said:

Can you hear me now??

Ok there is no verbal anything.

Always get everything in writing.

Vance

June 28, 2007 5:36 PM
Karen Weger
Member Since '05

Karen Weger said:

Hello all. Just to let you know "the rest of the story". I should have told you all that we did have a signed offer and earnest money in on the first round offer. It was low and countered. That is when we started verbally countering. After speaking with you all, I did remind my seller and the other party that until the changes were signed off on, the contract was not valid and there is another interested party per my seller. It all worked out. The first buyers that came in with their low offer got it. The buyers agent and I  negotiated verbally, then she got the signatures. Took a week to get all changes negotiated and initialed. Inspection is done and we are ready to close end of the month, owner finance. Thanks again for all of your help.

July 8, 2007 8:49 AM

Guest

Jodi tobin said:

Hello - I don't know if this blog is just for TX, but I am from MA and I have an agent who is telling me they have a verbally accepted offer and that her seller's are bound to that. She said my buyers could put in an offer but it would be a back-up offer. (This is all after she told me the property was still available that day I was going to show it.) So basically the listing agent is telling her seller that they are legally bound to their verbal acceptance! Any advice on getting through to her so that our offer is up for consideration and not a back up.

July 24, 2008 8:29 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

Everything is in writing! Send your offer by certified mail and request a signed response within 3 business days. CC a copy to the owner listed in the tax records.

July 25, 2008 11:05 AM

Guest

Jodi Tobin said:

Thanks - the certified mail is a great idea. I typically require a response within 24 hours. Here in MA we rarely present our offers in person - almost always by fax. In this case, it would have been helpful. In terms of the owner, she is in a nursing home and her ederly sister and brother-in-law are in charge of the sale and they are pretty much being controlled by their agent who has convinced them that the other verbal agreement is binding. Honestly, I don't know how some agents are able to even be in business - many shouldn't.

July 25, 2008 7:26 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

Danger "Will Robinson"....sending an offer for a listed property directly to the OWNER may be a violation of the Realtor's ethics code (COE) where you are....It would be a violation here in Portland, Oregon....

I realize the frustration, but the seller has granted the listing agent an exclusive right which must me respected.

July 25, 2008 8:01 PM

Guest

Jodi Tobin said:

Yes, in MA, you can't contact a seller directly when contracted with an agent.

July 25, 2008 8:14 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

Good catch, Phil. I should have made it a CC to the Board of Realtors : )

Ever notice the coe has like 3 articles that protect the buyer and seller and like 16 to protect the agent ;-)

July 26, 2008 6:34 AM

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