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I was just thinking...

No MLS

By: Mike Farmer
Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:35 PM

Okay, since Ol' Number Five doesn't want to HIJACK any threads, let me propose this question here:

What would happen if MLS was done away with?

 

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Velda Miller
Member Since '03

Velda Miller said:

I almost proposed anarchy to our MLS task force.  We are looking at MLS software providers because ours was created by the caveman from the Geico commercials.  I came so close to just telling them we should get rid of the MLS entirely and everyone get a P2 website, then we can all just do the handshake and stay in our own little world.  It could work, you know.

May 15, 2007 12:46 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Oh yeah, there are always alternatives. Any entity that thinks it can't be replaced is delusional.

May 15, 2007 12:51 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

Mark Firmer is up to no good again! Next you will want to do away with the NAR and RPAC. Is nothing sacred to you conservatives?

May 15, 2007 12:56 PM
Jay Rogers, ABR, C-CREC, ePRO
Member Since '07

Jay Rogers, ABR, C-CREC, ePRO said:

My first thought is that the franchises with the most in-house listings on their company web sites would still be able to market a good number of properties to consumers. Even if it was only their own properties.

The smaller Mom & Pop brokerages would have a hard time keeping visitors on their web sites with only a few listings, if the bigger companies didn't want to share.

Perhaps that would lead to smaller brokers teaming up with one another or simply joining one of the larger firms so that they would have access to more inventory to display to visitors to their respective web sites.

The big get bigger and essentially have thier own BLS - Broker Listing Service.

May 15, 2007 1:01 PM
Jim Rosell
Member Since '06

Jim Rosell said:

No MLS?

I've worked in three different MLS systems.What troubles me is the financially punitive nature of the MLS in Central Coastal Florida.In New Jersey I had access to data in three states,for a flat annual fee.The system was easier to use and supplied peripherals that facillitated business.I find the local self rule systems functionally obsolete.m I always thought the purpose of the system was to facillitate Realtors in customer service, in other words" to do our jobs".It seems the local MLS exist to fund local boards.

There are better ways.I of course was told when I arrived here," We don't care how you did it up north"Well I've been here awhile,and maybe we should care how they do it up north,south,west or wherever.Arrogance doesn't help,it just causes needless obstacles.

May 15, 2007 1:02 PM
Todd Clark
Member Since '06

Todd Clark said:

P2 would take over the world - NLS! (But, they would never raise their rates again to present customers - LOL)

May 15, 2007 1:04 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Or some such, no doubt. Perhaps several. Perhaps a whole competitive mish-mash. Raise prices? Pehaps not.

May 15, 2007 1:09 PM
Matt Smith
Member Since '07

Matt Smith said:

We have no MLS east of Billings, MT

May 15, 2007 1:33 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Are there any houses east of Billings, Mt.?

May 15, 2007 1:36 PM
Lucia Brooks
Member Since '03

Lucia Brooks said:

Like I said before, I have to be in two MLS's in Atlanta, and in the words of Hank Hill, "I tell ya what" they soak me in fees!  One monthly and the other per transaction!  I wouldn't mind seeing them go at all!  At least one of them anyway!

Of course Boomhaur would advise me, "manyoubettergetyurdoggoneselfoutathatsituationinahurryman".

Seriously though, at least they do keep the listing data pretty well up to date.  I am very concerned that there is no one to monitor the accuracy of the listing status of listings in the "NLS".

May 15, 2007 1:59 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Yes, Lucia, your concerns about NLS are legitimate, but, what if....

May 15, 2007 2:13 PM
Gloria Losie
Member Since '06

Gloria Losie said:

I too am in Atlanta and have to belong to both.  GAMLS is a flat monthly fee.  Last time I checked it was $17.00 per month.  FMLS is .0012% of sales price once you close.  It is a crime.  Info is current and they have great technical support.  Now if I had thought of this and was making money on the program I would never question the cost.

May 15, 2007 2:17 PM
Klaus Nicholson
Member Since '07

Klaus Nicholson said:

I would have to stand on a street corner in a trench coat and flash passersrby with pictures of my listings.  

Realtor, Columbus Ga

May 15, 2007 2:29 PM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

Klaus, I love your sense of humor!

May 15, 2007 3:26 PM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

Klaus, thanks for the visual.  Dinner will be delayed, if it happens at all.

LOL!

I think I'm curious as to what those Atlanta MLS fees include.  Is it just the MLS database?  My local "MLS" is not just the database.  It includes dues for MA Assoc. of Realtors as well as NAR.  We also get a lot of continuing ed at a discount or for free.  They also link and auto fill listings directly from town & tax records saving me a lot of time.  Not everything is auto filled but I don't have to do the research on taxes, registry info, etc.

I know I don't take advantage of even half of what they offer but it's available.  I do take advantage of them more, though, than my national affiliate's opportunities and that costs me more than MLS.

I'd also worry about the independents and not being able to share listings as we do now.

May 15, 2007 4:08 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

We could always go back to the days when listings were posted on the wall at the barber shop :)

May 15, 2007 4:22 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

I would like a moderator to tell me why some threads, every once in a while, run into the right hand side and are frutrating to read.

May 15, 2007 4:56 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Excuse me, -- frustrating!!!!!

May 15, 2007 5:15 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

It almost seems intentional since I can read other threads just fine. Curious as hell.

May 15, 2007 5:16 PM
Becky Troutt
Member Since '05

Becky Troutt said:

Sorry for screwing up your thread again, just wanted to show up what will do it.

Same thing if someone types in a really long URL, it will do the same thing.

May 15, 2007 5:23 PM
Mipeco Realty, Inc -  Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner
Member Since '03

Mipeco Realty, Inc - Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner said:

I've heard old stories of such things as "listing books" in each office ... please, let's not go back there ... don't make me juggle around more papers than I already have to! ... let me keep my MLS, no matter how unhappy it sometimes makes me!

May 15, 2007 5:26 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

You didn't screw up my thread, Becky. I was just grouchy yesterday.

I'm chillin' today.

Michaela, I think MLS is safely entrenched for another ten years or so.

I like what-if scenarios - it helps me sort out pros and cons.

May 16, 2007 9:56 AM
Becky Troutt
Member Since '05

Becky Troutt said:

Well I had another post just above that last one I made showing you what would make it be messed up.

It's gone now, so they must have deleted it maybe before you saw it.

May 16, 2007 10:07 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Hmmm. They must have. I didn't delete it.

May 16, 2007 10:46 AM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

Gloria said: "Last time I checked it was $17.00 per month.  FMLS is .0012% of sales price once you close.  It is a crime."

You are darn right!  That sounds criminal!  Average sales prices (in Portland, OR) are $300,000.  So that would mean the FMLS would get $360?!   That is absurd!

And here, I've been cryin' about OUR MLS costs!  

In Portland, it's around $35/month per agent, I think.  As the owner and broker here, I have to pay $100 for the company.  (Initially it's $500 for a company to join the MLS)....

In Salem, Oregon, with their very small and much weaker website, the MLS (WVMLS) costs a company $2,000 to join (WTH?!), then $45/month for each agent....and $30/month for each office.

I think I'm in the wrong business!

What I don't like and where I do believe change should occur, is that here, the Realtors' association (Portland Metro Assoc of Realtors’ - PMAR), OWNS the MLS.  So, PMAR charges me dues, and sells me class credits so I can keep my license.  Then the Portland MLS charges me, above, plus my Supra key.  

Many times when I call with an issue/complaint, the standard answer is, "Oh that's not us (PMAR).  You have to call MLS."   So I'll call MLS, who will say the reverse!

Or they'll both deny responsibility and tell me to call the State RE agency....who will then direct me back to PMAR!

Fun fun!!!!

"Easy to get along with Phil"

May 17, 2007 12:49 PM

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