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Trying To Wrap Water in Paper

By: Mike Farmer
Friday, August 03, 2007 11:01 AM

The internet is a strange and wonderful medium. We’ve all talked about it. Some would like to control it, some love it free.

 

The fact is that it will never be controlled. You can shut down a board, you can close a website, you can ban people from a particular site, if you have that limited control, but it doesn’t stop the free flow of voices. People will find a way to be heard.

 

For all the talk about the freedom on the net, there is still grumbling from those intimidated by freedom. Control is a funny thing, and sometimes paradoxical: the more you try to control the more out of control the situation gets.

 

To effect meaningful change you have to find the right leverage, and that is not always obvious. If a particular group on the internet proclaims their purpose is to share information and grow on the cutting edge of their profession, how is this accomplished?

 

Well, you could create a blog and encourage participation from interested professionals in that particular field of endeavor. But what happens when blogs become part professional discourse and part social networking, which is bound to happen? Do you allow it to evolve, or do you control the group to meet predetermined goals and outcomes?

 

To control the social networking part you have to create strict rules that govern content. Then you have to create punishments and rewards for non-compliance and compliance and you have to follow through. So, if someone is non-compliant, you have to follow through and punish the violator. Or, first you can try to reward the participants for compliance. If the predetermined goal is to keep content clean of extraneous social influences, then to achieve the desired result you must control the behavior of the participants.

 

This is a tall order when you don’t have real leverage – the more you push for control the more the system of participants push back. If you implement both forms of behavioral control, reward and punishment, you get a mixture of compliance and stubborn resistance. What you don’t get is wide-range commitment to the goals and results. Compliance is much weaker than commitment. The only leverage you wind up having is the ability to ban the ones who resist, settle for compliance and maybe garner a few who are committed to your course of action.

 

Diversity is usually sacrificed in this process so that the group you have remaining is homogenous. Anyone who has managed creative people will understand when I say that compliance is not their strongest suit. This usually results in a restriction of innovative ideas, too much technical/workshop talk, and a slow attrition of the group as even the faithful lose interest and look for something more sexy. 

 

As online communities evolve, the strict definitions of forums will dissolve and human interaction will be more important than the structure. The successful online groups will be the ones that use the leverage of freedom to the fullest extent possible. The internet will be a scary place for control-freaks.

 

I will follow this up tomorrow with a blog on what I have learned about learning. If the true goal here is to learn, how do we best learn? What are we trying to learn? Is social networking a part of learning? Where’s the leverage?

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Comments

Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

I need to attribute the title to Alan Watts.

August 3, 2007 9:13 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Watts, one of my all time favorites.

August 3, 2007 9:48 AM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

We live in a country founded on the belief in freedom. It's interesting how many don't really want freedom and cede control over their lives to others.

August 3, 2007 9:51 AM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

"Compliance is much weaker than commitment". Very good. I think "balance" is most necessary.

August 3, 2007 9:59 AM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

Mike as usual a great observation and post. Any control systems must be designed properly to be effective. If control systems are inflexible or unrealistic people are no longer focused on the target. I know you are not recommending that there be no controls but pointing out that any control systems must prevent, not cause, the problems they were designed to detect.

I have always noticed in management when control or order seems to be moving in the wrong direction that immediate corrective action is more efficient, however basic corrective action is more effective.

I feel that a good combination of business and social talk makes for a good forum and one that still produces great ideas. However, the goal of this site may be more “tech” and no social. If so, maybe Liberation was not the best choice for a name. The name itself has a little rebel in it.

We shall see how it all shakes out and I look forward to the upcoming post!

August 3, 2007 10:25 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Thanks everyone.

Candice, I had a strong suspicion you would be familiar with Alan Watts. Now, without Googling, if you will tell the significance of Professor Irwin Corey to the 60s, you will be my super heroine. For a bonus point and marriage proposal, you can tell me what relationship he had to Thomas Pynchon.

Yes, Gary, you are correct, some controls are always necessary to avoid complete anarchy and abuse.

August 3, 2007 11:20 AM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

I don't know the significance, but I remember Prof. Irwin Corey!

August 3, 2007 11:21 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

I am open to bigamy.

August 3, 2007 11:23 AM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2MaJbJgZEp8

Alert:  Hijack in progress!

August 3, 2007 11:33 AM
Bill Thompson, REALTOR®
Member Since '07

Bill Thompson, REALTOR® said:

Mike, This is all purely hypothetical I am sure. No real world examples ;)

August 3, 2007 11:41 AM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

Wowsa - there is some good stuff happening here today! Not much I can add here that others haven't already mentioned.

As a former HR type (and strangely that's the second time in 3 minutes I've typed that) I find myself fascinated by the human interaction in on-line environments. The Internet is still *very* young. It will be interesting to see how it evolves and changes when it comes to human interaction.

August 3, 2007 11:46 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Mike, you shouldn't have . . . .  ;)

One notable connection between Corey and Pynchon was that the former accepted an award for the latter and during that acceptance speech there was a STREAKER!

August 3, 2007 12:19 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Bingo! 10 bonus points. I'll spare you the proposal.

Thanks, Jay, yes, it will be very interesting. I wish I was 20 so I could live to see more.

Cathy! Thanks, I love that crazy old coot. I remember the first time I saw him, on the old Merv Griffin Show. What a character!

August 3, 2007 12:26 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Bill! Yes, purely hypothetical.

August 3, 2007 12:27 PM
Tim and Susan Fennell
Member Since '06

Tim and Susan Fennell said:

Two thumbs up, my friend!  .... and a whole bag of stars.

August 3, 2007 12:33 PM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

and a bag of chips.

August 3, 2007 12:38 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Thanks, Tim.

Mary, buffalo?

August 3, 2007 12:56 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

It's absolutely amazing how much you can learn as a result of being a part of this social interaction. I just went to Wikipedia to learn about Allan Watts. Fascinating.

Mike, you need to meet Greg Swann at The Bloodhound Blog. You would love his writing.

August 3, 2007 1:21 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Mike, how you TOY with me! LOL

Here's some more on him, Howard:

http://www.alanwatts.com/

August 3, 2007 1:58 PM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

Mike, no, not buffalo. lol. I meant like the saying "he's all that and a bag of chips."

lol

August 3, 2007 2:08 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

LOL Mary, I got it. (Zig Zag Snap snap snap)

August 3, 2007 3:36 PM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

Candice, exactly!! I just forgot the zip zag snappy thing, thanks. lol

August 3, 2007 3:54 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

I don't know anything about Professor Irwin Corey, but they say that Richard Corey owned one half of this whole town...

http://tinyurl.com/3xdn8n

August 3, 2007 5:02 PM
Belinda Walker
Member Since '06

Belinda Walker said:

Mike, you read my mind.  Excellent post.

August 3, 2007 5:59 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

LOL, Garfunkel's hair! He was having a good hair day that day . . .

August 3, 2007 6:02 PM
Gene Carey
Member Since '03

Gene Carey said:

"..........the more you push for control the more the system of participants push back"

You've got that right! Most of us can't stand still long enough to stay on topic let alone on real estate related topics!

August 3, 2007 6:28 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Darn, and I was under the (false) illusion that as your broker in charge, i was in charge....  I was wrong again!!

Thanks for the thought provoking, stimulating dialogue.

Shelly

August 3, 2007 7:38 PM
Beth Larsen
Member Since '05

Beth Larsen said:

Great post & discussion. I think it's the organic "uncontrollable" nature of online communities that makes them so irresistable.

I, too, had to look up Alan Watts. In the process not only did I learn something, but found a great new word, "autodidact".

I think we must all be autodidactic in some measure or we wouldn't be here.

August 4, 2007 3:42 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

On Using Technology for Conquest vs Cooperation

(which will you choose?)

"Inability to accept the mystic experience is more than an intellectual handicap. Lack of awareness of the basic unity of organism and environment is a serious and dangerous hallucination. For in a civilization equipped with immense technological power, the sense of alienation between man and nature leads to the use of technology in a hostile spirit---to the "conquest" of nature instead of intelligent co-operation with nature."

Alan Watts, Psychedelics and Religious Experience

http://deoxy.org/watts.htm

August 4, 2007 4:54 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

Great Post Mike, you hit the nail on the head !!

Furthermore Managing and/or Controlling Realtors is way tougher than herding cats.  We are independant free thinkers by nature and that's going to be hard to control.

Nicely Written Post.  This is not just the post of the day but maybe the post of the week !!!

August 4, 2007 7:13 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Shelly, BIC is only in charge when the attorneys are looking for where the buck stops (or who has the deepest pockets). LOL

August 4, 2007 7:29 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

I was call away yesterday on business. Thanks.

August 5, 2007 6:35 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

called

August 5, 2007 6:37 AM
Beth Larsen
Member Since '05

Beth Larsen said:

It occurs to me that the term "Autodidact" begs for explanation:

Autodidacticism

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Autodidacticism (also autodidactism) is self-education or self-directed learning. An autodidact, also known as an automath, is a mostly self-taught person.

A person may become an autodidact at nearly any point in his or her life. While some may have been educated in a conventional manner in a particular field, they may choose to educate themselves in other, often unrelated areas.

Or on REliberation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodidact

August 6, 2007 11:18 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

We're autodidactic by nature, Beth. Survival requires it.

August 6, 2007 11:38 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

So next time someone asks what you 'do', tell them you're a master autodidact. Make 'em look it up.  :)

August 6, 2007 11:39 AM
Beth Larsen
Member Since '05

Beth Larsen said:

Love it!..and you're so right. Survival belongs to those who seize the day...and the opportunity to learn.

August 6, 2007 12:07 PM

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