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I was just thinking...

Like Trying To Kiss Your Own Lips

By: Mike Farmer
Sunday, August 05, 2007 10:10 AM

(Also attributed to Alan Watts)

In my previous professional life I attended hundreds of workshops, conferences and conventions, mostly listening to the same information over and over to the point of glassy eyes and a nodding head. Some speakers would present the information in an entertaining fashion and this helped, but it got to the point that the “learning” part of all these gatherings took place outside the classes, presentations and lectures.

 

In the smoking areas, lounges and restaurants people would open up, let their hair down, speak more freely about the profession, their honest take on different aspects of it and extraneous matters that helped me learn more about people and cultures.

 

When I traveled to the northeast I learned their unique way of seeing things, the same with the west, mid-west and north-west. This helped in my profession because I had to deal with clients from all over. It gave me a frame of reference for different parts of the country and helped me understand the mindsets which helped avoid misunderstandings in communication. What was once taken as brashness, arrogance, weirdness or indifference was now understood in the context of their cultural environment.

 

The dry, repetitive learning of the workshop/conference was necessary in the beginning to develop a good understanding of the basics, but the real mind-changing learning took place through social networking in informal settings.

 

The internet has brought this incredibly effective form of learning to our offices and living rooms, or even the porch, local coffee shop or swimming pool, wherever you are connected. Although this new style of networking and learning is fraught with difficulties, it is also an exciting promise of change and personal growth like we’ve never known.

 

As for blogging, as it relates to a small group, professionally focused blog such as Relib, I think the key to successful, fun, generative learning is a combination of the workshop approach and informal social networking. They should be combined in the same place for it to grow and develop into something greater than the sum of its parts. Splitting it all up in different categories is to me antithetical to the way we interact and is somewhat superficial. It also leads to camps of like-mindedness and misses the point of broad learning and liberation from the same restrictive control measures you find all over. The good thing about a blog community is that you can easily avoid certain blog posts by simply not clicking on them.

 

I realize there are those who fall on both sides and those who haven’t fallen on either side. I have heard the complaints about the looseness of the discussions and I have heard the complaints about strict workshopping. As Gary mentioned on my previous blog post, liberation is a big word. I truly believe both can be joined into something wonderfully different, but it takes an understanding of cooperation, innovation and a beginning vision of what is hoped to be accomplished. It also takes an open mind and loosening of control.

 

I don’t presume to have the vision of what is to be accomplished but I do intuitively sense the possibilities. Excuse some of my grand statements, they even make me blush and cringe, but Liberation is a grand idea and it goes way beyond the basics of a profession such as real estate; it goes to the heart of human interaction and deep learning. And if I may embarrass myself a little further, it goes to spirituality in the broad sense of the word: human connection through open and honest communication. For me this entails seriousness, humor, debate, compromise, standing on principles, the whole gamut of human interaction, while all the time keeping in mind the small and large aspects of our profession.

 

This is where I will stop today, but I would like to start a conversation about what we all hope to accomplish here. Why are we here? It may be more banal than my grand musings; if so, in the words of the Church Lady – Nevermind.

 

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Comments

Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Mike, the possibilities are endless.  

I know that that I learned a great deal when I entered those smoke filled after business hours places.  When the CEO and the mailroom clerk were in the same place.  Learning happened.  There were those that "refused" to participate.  Were at the seminar at 8am until 5pm and back to the hotel getting ready for tomorrow.  But I could learn more about the temperment of the leaders at that after hours area.

Some say 90% of business takes place on the golf course. Why?  Because you can see how a person reacts under stress, with competition, with "gambling".  Did they practice etiquette?  Or were they blowhards or boastful.  Did they throw their golf clubs.  More can be learned on the golf course than in the boardroom.  

For me, I am much more comfortable offering our new buyer kit to those people I LIKE.  That I have learned that they truly appreciate it, and have probably offered to help me in the past and I feel will graciously offer to help me in the future!!   I know this because I have spent time with them over business issues and personal issues.  They have told me their character.  

If this a formal place, I wouldn't have gotten to know and appreciate their character, and would not have offered the kit.  I would even be afraid that they would think it was silly and not worth their time.  but because I feel that I have gotten to know these people, it allows me to take a risk.  Knowing that I wouldn't be ridiculed.  

thanks for this blog.

Shelly

August 5, 2007 8:55 AM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

Mike, great post as always and it should be noted that the antonym of liberation is suppression. If ReLiberation is to be a true community, I believe everyone's thoughts should be presented and heard, whether those in the community agree or disagree with the idea put forth.  

August 5, 2007 8:58 AM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

Another great post Mike !!!  Im opinion, the networking value is way higher than any workshop learning !

August 5, 2007 9:11 AM
Tim and Susan Fennell
Member Since '06

Tim and Susan Fennell said:

Mike... you're killing me man!  First you have me spending hours trying to wrap water in a paper bag and now I've wasted my entire moring trying to kiss my own lips.

I will admit that the later was more fun and less messy, but still...

Seriously though, you have a unique style that presents dynamic concepts in an entertaining way.  You make me 'think' about things in a little bit different way and that's a wonderful gift.  Unfortunately I have been one to merely gloss over the smokey-room chit chat.  I wonder how many golden nuggets I've missed because of that.  You have opened my eyes to a whole new learning opportunity.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!  You are THE man.

August 5, 2007 9:24 AM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

Mike great post. I think Shelly’s points are probably the reason most people would be willing to share their ideas. As we post and read other post we gain a sense of the mindset, online personality and business acumen of the posters. In a true business only environment, such as a seminar, you may gain the business knowledge or subject knowledge but the real life applications and “how to use” is often garnered more in the after hours stories and conversation than the formal setting.

There needs to be the formal but without the informal much is lost. I think places like Relib and other blogs have opened up a new world of gaining knowledge and friends. It is even more advantages than the conversation at the lounge after a meeting since you have the ability to be in several conversations in the same room. You don’t have to miss a thing. You can come back the next day and engage in a conversation that took part yesterday.

Non Real Estate topics are also as important since they some time relate to life as we live it. Life lessons shared add to your ability to operate in the business world and dismissing them from your learning will only make things more difficult.

I don’t think anyone could disagree that balance in anything is a good thing.

August 5, 2007 9:27 AM
Karen Weger
Member Since '05

Karen Weger said:

So true. thanks to this blog, I have several referrals in the works with folks I feel I know, and have learned so much, laughed a lot. Well rounded. It is is all work, then I can go read a magazine by myself and get the information, but it is so much more fun to see the shinging faces and smiles, jokes, and laughter mixed in with the great ideas and some issues are really crucial. I remember the one I wrote asking for help about a conflict on a verbal offer. Folks here came to the rescue in a matter of minutes. If I were to have called brokers, collegues, It would have took all afternoon to track down someone to get an opinion. why did everybody here rush to answer, because they see me face everyday and know I will write when the need me.

August 5, 2007 9:41 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Thanks all. Great responses.

I do think the key is to NOT separate it, but to allow the combination in an ongoing natural discussion created by individual blog posts.

Separation will work against cohesion.

When I am with a client developing a relationship, and as we learn about each other, we don't don't stop and move to another location and put on a different persona for formal and informal -- it develops in combination, naturally.

August 5, 2007 9:44 AM
Belinda Walker
Member Since '06

Belinda Walker said:

Again, Mike, you have read my mind.  I'm studying YOU so that I may become more eloquent (and psychic).

August 5, 2007 9:58 AM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Mike:  Well said.  Good stuff.  I am not about banning the informal, I just wonder if we want the after hours in the main hours?

Shelly: You would probably guess that I USED to be one of those straight arrow guys who worked the floor 8 - 5 and refused to stay up all night with the after hours crowd.  BUT - I outgrew it.  OK...  Real Gold in there...  AFTER HOURS....

Please consider what we look like to google, complete with reecent content about semi-naked ladies, bums with guns, and cookie bake offs for homeless or fsbo folk.  As conversations, each of these were fine, in context... but should the be our public face?  

Just ask if what we look like to google might help our hurt your business?

August 5, 2007 9:59 AM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

If the LOUNGE idea I proposed were HERE at RElib, instead of offstage at message board, would that be BOTH AND instead of EITHER OR?

Wasn't that a big teaching of Alan Watts?

August 5, 2007 10:00 AM
Mark Cohen, Broker
Member Since '03

Mark Cohen, Broker said:

There seems to be some contradiction from some people who were against self promotion, non real estate, and silly stuff being in this blog and now say they want to include everything.

Maybe we should take a vote.  Do you want it to be everything included no restrictions, or separated real estate from non, or controlled by a moderator?  Do you care what the public can see or do you not care?

August 5, 2007 10:29 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Some benefits of the natural development of group learning and networking is the surprise turns and twists, the humorous interjections, the occasional glimpse into the real personality -- the leg and cleavage of personality, so to speak.

One of the greatest benefits is what I will dub --

Right-sizing Pomposity Through Humor.

Sharp, witty banter can keep the "experts" humble by allowing those of us who prefer to be perpetual students an outlet to moon and lampoon the self-appointed teachers.  

August 5, 2007 10:32 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Mike, you had me at 'Alan Watts' . . .  :)

As a very long time RT member, I can say with complete certainty that the BEST conversations go on offlist. That's how it always is.

The reason is that it becomes personal and it's always easier to internalize and 'commit to cell memory' what is personally relatable.

It's not even learning then as much as just absorbing.

August 5, 2007 10:33 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Exactly, Candice. Absorbing.

August 5, 2007 10:39 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

I would go further and say that just because someone crammed for a test or were force fed 'education' does not anywhere NEAR assure that they have learned a darn thing. Case in point: real estate licensees?  LOL

August 5, 2007 10:42 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

The thing is -- you can learn the basic stuff anywhere, nowadays. But unless you know what to do with the knowledge, unless you are growing personally and continuing a broad-range learning process, you will be stumbling in the dark spouting platitudes and quoting Craig Proctor.

August 5, 2007 10:55 AM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

OOhhhh, spouting Proctor Platitudes... Now that scared me. don't you think you should have written that on the "what scared you" blog by Joe L.?

Shelly

August 5, 2007 11:00 AM
Beth Larsen
Member Since '05

Beth Larsen said:

Mike, what a refreshing post to start the day with. I think that vision by its very nature should be gradiose - if we don't reach farther than we think we can we never know how much we are capable of.

I also agree with Shelly (and humbly ask if I might ask for her buyer packet as well...that is a post I have marked to return to). I used to spend time on RT and EPT and enjoyed the give & take that occurred there. When they changed the format I never quite got back into it, as I had gotten involved with Active Rain and here while focusing on website work.

Which brings me to this: one great thing about AR's format is the ability to mark posts as Public access or Members Only. Being able to do that in the same place is a big asset.

Hearing what people have to say about customs, problem handling and RE in their marketplaces all over the country has made me a better agent, as I am more aware of my out-of-town clients' issues and concerns and can 'hear' them better.

August 5, 2007 11:05 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

yes, Shelly  :)

August 5, 2007 11:06 AM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Beth, send me your email addy at shelly at era dot com

Shelly

August 5, 2007 11:07 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Right on Beth!

"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?"

(Browning)

August 5, 2007 11:12 AM
Beth Larsen
Member Since '05

Beth Larsen said:

Thanks so much Shelly, on its way.

Candice - terrific quote. You guys have my inspiration quotient at an all-time morning high (or is that the coffee ;-)? Are you still spending time at RT? Should I try to work it back in?

August 5, 2007 11:16 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Thanks, Beth. Good to see.

August 5, 2007 11:31 AM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

This blog, as well as others, is constantly evolving because, guess what?  So are we!  If we stop evolving, we become stagnant.

I've been mulling over this post since I first read it this morning and came up with a ridiculously long response that would make everyone press the snooze button.

I'll try to keep it short.  Yeah, right!

I find in my local market (and I know others have found this as well), other Agents are less likely to "share".  We compete with each other and don't want to share our secrets!  Shelly's sharing of her Buyer Presentation is a case in point.  But, as she said, she never would have felt safe "throwing it out there" without "knowing" the people she was sending it to.  

Other things I have learned here that I never would have known from my local compadres (who are all very nice people by the way):  F5 refreshes the screen....didn't know that but I'm going to burn that button out before long!  SEO/SEP, how to build a website, how other markets work.  I learned that I had to expand my market and how to do it.  I've learned that there are a lot of people out there, literally and figuratively, who know a lot more than I do.  I need to listen and "absorb".  Once in a while I may have something to offer.

Beyond that, I've laughed, shed a few tears, gained friends I never would otherwise have met.  There are people here who, publicly and privately, offer their assistance, their friendship and their professional advice. And it's all on "my time".  I can catch up if I've been gone a while and still get the benefit of the experience and the chuckles.

I have to say, though, that I'm rather dissappointed that some of the "Posters" who were here when I arrived, seem to have dissappeared.  Maybe they decided they didn't like the direction this blog was taking?  Tarvin, Bourassa, the "other" Clark, come to mind.  I hope they're just too busy to be here and will return.

Yep, that was the short version.

August 5, 2007 11:35 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

I still religiously read the RT posts. I don't participate as much . . . I like this raging crowd better, LOL

August 5, 2007 11:38 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Beez! I overlooked your response -- I was busy reading your mind.

Cathy!

August 5, 2007 12:00 PM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

Spidey!

August 5, 2007 12:05 PM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

Mike, in my opinion, the sometimes "looseness of the discussions" have allowed us a glance into each personality here. The joking and even the disagreements have allowed me to see what the other people here are made of. What this has done for me, is give each of you some kind of credibility in my eyes OR no credibility at all...

Some of you have shown yourselves defensive, oppinionated and just plain rude. Others have shown themselves open to learn and willing to assist, people of good character who are willing to admit when they are wrong and actually learn from their mistakes, and actually willing to write about their mistakes in hopes of helping someone else here.

Who will I want to read posts from? You know. Do you think I want MORE of the opinionated, rude and defensive person? No thank you.

The people who have showed themselves credible are those who have stood up under pressure, have admited where they were wrong and actually showed themselves human, like the rest of us, prone to weakness, prone to fault, prone to mistakes and picking up and making it right.

I like the mix of business attitude and personality. That is what keeps me coming back here.

August 5, 2007 1:59 PM
Belinda Walker
Member Since '06

Belinda Walker said:

right on, sistah!

August 5, 2007 2:29 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Mike, what did Bee's mind say when you read it?  :)

August 5, 2007 2:33 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

I would like to clarify my statement that Mark apparently misinterpreted.

I said, "I believe everyone's thoughts should be presented and heard, whether those in the community agree or disagree with the idea put forth".

Mark took that to mean, "There seems to be some contradiction from some people who were against self promotion, non real estate, and silly stuff being in this blog and now say they want to include everything".

As most of you know, I was one of the first to point out the self promotion, selling of services, etc., that started appearing on Reliberation. From there, members started using the forum for referrals, touting their area, etc., and Point 2 in their wisdom (imho) agreed and set up some rules prohibiting those type of posts.

Mike's outstanding thread and my follow up had to do with opinions and viewpoints, the value of social networking and the ability to learn from the many different points of view and ideas from members around the country. [Oops, I should say around the world, after all p2 headquarters is even from a different country :) ]

I was not suggesting that every mortgage broker sell their wares, seo specialist tout their program or website designer let me know their services were now available (I get plenty of emails every day letting me know these things.) I come to Reliberation for the water fountain of both good ideas and fun and friendship.

Whether I choose to click and comment or whether I choose to ignore the post, that is my decision. Ideas have not been suppressed or controlled, they have been liberated and let the dialogue begin.

August 5, 2007 3:00 PM
Team Stevens
Member Since '03

Team Stevens said:

Great post Mike.  I kie your writing style.  I always notice te ease and stye that you use to name your posts.  I like that.

August 5, 2007 3:04 PM
Team Stevens
Member Since '03

Team Stevens said:

By the way apparently I can't spell the word like.

August 5, 2007 3:05 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Here is what Bee was thinking this afternoon.

Bzz bzzzzz bbbbbzz, bz buzz. Bzbuz bzz Buzzzbz!

Thanks, Howard.

August 5, 2007 3:06 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

translation????

August 5, 2007 3:07 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Thanks Christina.

I am not fluent in beeish, and I think it is a local dialect, but from the best I can translate it means --

May the jumpstick be merry. Let the fanglewad begin!

August 5, 2007 3:13 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

Does fanglewad have anything to do with feng shui (shooey)

August 5, 2007 3:28 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

lol -- we'll have to ask Candice.

August 5, 2007 3:33 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

It can if it's properly placed, of course. :)

August 5, 2007 3:40 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Where do suggest placing fanglewad?

August 5, 2007 3:41 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Depends where you want it to impact.

August 5, 2007 3:41 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Fanglewad could be ambitious near the front door, whimsical on the east side and profitable in the southwest. It could be informative in the northwest and warm and comforting at the equator. Goes well with a Mai Tai there.

August 5, 2007 3:43 PM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

I could get into ambitious fanglewad as soon as I know what in the world it is?

August 5, 2007 3:49 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Fanglewad is a Mikeism. It's kinda like the Continuum Transfunctioner. A very mysterious and powerful device whose mystery is exceeded only by it's power.  :)

August 5, 2007 4:07 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Mark asked some very good questions....  above...

August 5, 2007 5:26 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

As always Mike, your posts are a breath of fresh air!  Thank you for taking the time to research and write!   What an enjoyable read!  

I think I should tip you, but I left my wallet at home.  Maybe I can reach up my *** and grab some cash like Mr. Big :)  

August 5, 2007 6:30 PM
Craig Barrett
Member Since '07

Craig Barrett said:

I always appreciate your post Mike. This is great. I do like the ability to interact with the writer in an informal setting. I think it makes me feel more comfortable to reply without the fear or anxiety of saying something "wrong". Seminars are dry drabble anyways. :-)

August 5, 2007 6:40 PM
Leesa Finley
Member Since '07

Leesa Finley said:

Mike - I don't get to comment too often but thanks for the post!  I can always count on you to shed some light on the simple concepts.  I, too, think that regardless of the endless workshops and lectures where I am bombarded by the "top producers" that pontificate on the latest techniques and methods by which one should follow in order to maximize their business and excel in this field that it comes down to what I have learned outside of those sacred rooms.  I have instead learned to simply listen to people and educate myself as to what it is that makes that particular person happy, sad, elated or pissed.  It is the interaction with clients and other professionals on a more personal level where I have gained the most insight into their psyche.  To know what they indulge themselves with afterhours and in their own personal time is what has assisted me and propelled my career.  To be sure that this is real estate related let me just say that I can ask a buyer or seller all day long what their needs and wants are.  However, it is when I really delve into their personality and character that I learn their individuality and am, therefore, better equipped to deliver what it is that they are seeking.  Simply said?  Have a beer, kick back and learn to laugh a little.  

August 5, 2007 6:54 PM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

Note to self: never ask Phil to make change.

August 5, 2007 8:07 PM
Karen Weger
Member Since '05

Karen Weger said:

Thanks Mike! I always enjoy your posts.

And Mary, yes.

There is no reason to ever be rude. Never. If you don't like the post, don't read it, If you don't want to be here leave. The rudest comments are coming from the folks who say this blog does not have that much SEO value. So why visit, why post, why read. Change channels. I don't understand.

August 5, 2007 8:38 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Mary, Phil's just doing that so all of us will pick up the tab (keep your hands in your pockets where we can see them, Phil, LOL)

August 5, 2007 10:41 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

Mary and Candice!!!  You two are too funny!!!

I'll be sure and bring my checkbook you the tab!   Wouldn't it be fun if we could all hang out and grab a cold one sometime.  This virtual exchange, just stops short of actually being able to reach out and touch our friends, physically.

August 5, 2007 11:09 PM
Jana Davis & Virginia Houghton
Member Since '05

Jana Davis & Virginia Houghton said:

I do agree with Cathy and Shelly - it would not be that easy for me to share if I didn't feel a personal relationship and trust for the people on this blog site.  I don't think I would be as forth coming if we didn't have some "letting our hair down" time as I would not have seen the person behind the idea.  And I realize that a certain blog can lead back to the rest on here.  But if you are only posting with the thoughts that your clients might see what you are saying, what are your true motives for blogging?  Are you really sharing your RE knowledge in hopes you will learn something too?  Or are you blogging to show others how smart you are?  Or are you blogging to get more hits to your website?  I love the mixture of blogs we get on here.  We get good, well thought out, well written article style blogs. We also get the more personal touch with a great story style blog.  Or you might get that trick question thrown out.  Blogs you can get a laugh out of or a few tears.  But what makes these so good are not only the thought behind it or the idea just thrown out there, but the group participation.

I am not concerned if any of my clients read what I have written on here.  They all know I am down to earth, patient, caring, and a little wacky.  If they want uptight, super conservative, or a slick chick, they will not hire me anyway.  Compatibility is part of the business.  We are all individuals.  One of the reasons we are in this field at all is because it does give us the freedom to be individuals.  Not every one's business model will work for me.  Nor their blogging model.  And I am good with that, because I can usually make something mine.  I don't want to fit into someone else's idea of the model.  I can work a 9 -5 for that.

One thing I have noticed, because we are REALTORS no matter what sillyfluff we are talking about, somehow our common link slips in, Real Estate.  And along with that a networking I have not seen any other place.  I believe that the people I have gotten to know in here are really cheering me on.  They want to help me succeed.  What a concept in such a competitive business.  That kind of networking is why I am here and I keep coming back.

Jana

August 6, 2007 12:45 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Thanks for all the comments. I will be out for today. See you all tomorrow.

August 6, 2007 5:39 AM
Bill Thompson, REALTOR®
Member Since '07

Bill Thompson, REALTOR® said:

I am not sure why I have been lurking lately rather than posting. Part of the reason is simply my schedule. I have been very busy. I have been enjoying all the recent blogs since the contest began. This one by Mike is one of my favorites.

Mike, what was your previous profession? It could easily be said of the profession I spent many years in. We had required education courses we attend yearly, conventions and other meetings, exhibit halls full of new technology, etc. The lectures were often simply endured because they were required. Occassionaly, something really interesting would be discussed, but most of the presentations were boring and painful to sit through. The lectures were often presented by university professors who do not work in the "real world" and do not have clue about what we face every day.

Later in the hallways and in the evening at hospitality suites where the setting was far less formal, I learned very valuable information and made friends I could call on a moments notice for advice, etc.  I always enjoyed these meetings (still do since I keep that license active along with my RE license), not so much for the formal meetings but instead for the informal, unscripted learning and friendships which have proved very valuable over the years.

Mike said "Separation will work against cohesion."

I am making a plaque with this profound statement on it for my office wall. ;)

Mike is my mentor you know.

August 6, 2007 9:23 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Bill, I worked with specialty hospitals for fifteen years before going insane and getting into real estate. The specialization was mainly Addiction treatment, but I worked also in broader Psychiatric facilities. I started out a therapist dealing with alcoholism and drug addiction, then became clinical director, then Director of Marketing, then, when everything started going out-patient and all the large A&D hospitals started down-sizing, I opened up, managed and marketed several out-patient facilities. That's how I wound up in Savannah, Ga. - I opened an out-patient clinic here, through a local hospital, ran it for about four years, then through a friend got interested in real estate and decided to make the big switch.

August 6, 2007 10:05 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Oh, great. Mike went from crazy people in hospitals to crazy himself, to crazy people in real estate . . . LOL . . . Mike at least you're consistent!

My first program director in radio 'retired' and went to work for a mortuary. She always used to say she went from dead air to dead bodies . . .  :)

August 6, 2007 10:09 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Jana sez: Are you really sharing your RE knowledge in hopes you will learn something too?  Or are you blogging to show others how smart you are?  Or are you blogging to get more hits to your website?

YES.   lol

August 6, 2007 10:11 AM
Bill Thompson, REALTOR®
Member Since '07

Bill Thompson, REALTOR® said:

Mike - I was an Optometrist for 25 years, still hold an optometry license, own an optometry practice where I employ other optometrists but spend my days doing real estate both as an investor and Realtor. I invested for years before getting my RE license. I really enjoy real estate. It is a people business just like Optometry.

The meetings you attended must have been very much like the ones I went to over the years. As I said before, I always looked forward to going to those things, just not for the official stuff.

August 6, 2007 10:45 AM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

Mike - I am going to respectfully submit a request that you make your next title something that does not cause so much embarrassment. Between your titles and some of the other information and ideas I have learned in the last three days here, I have people starring at me.

I was at the grocery store today and my pants were all wet from trying to roll water up in paper. I am standing in line tying to kiss my own lip while reaching in my pants trying to see if I could pull money out of my butt to pay for the groceries. I tried to explain to the people around me that I learned all this just this weekend. Someone did call 911 and my doctor is now working on my release from the psycho ward. There must me a trick to that money thing.

Perhaps I missed something and I will go back and re-read all those post. Anxiously awaiting your next!

August 6, 2007 10:53 AM
Bill Thompson, REALTOR®
Member Since '07

Bill Thompson, REALTOR® said:

For some time now I have been saying "Mike is my mentor", now I find out he is my therapist... ;)

August 6, 2007 10:54 AM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

omg....i think i just peed my pants.  gary, you're killin' me.

August 6, 2007 11:15 AM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

Gary, these posts come with a warning to not try this at home. That goes for public places as well. LOL.

You wouldn't last 2 minutes in my town acting like that. However I would really love to take you around.

Now, before you are able to perfect the pulling the cash stunt, you were working on jumping into both pant legs at the same time. GEt that down first.

Cathy I agree LOL

August 6, 2007 11:25 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Go Gary Go! Someone's on a roll today!

August 6, 2007 11:26 AM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

good one Gary.

August 6, 2007 11:57 AM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Gary:  <ROFLMAO-TRDF> LOL LOL LOL :D

August 6, 2007 1:13 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

Gary....wash your hands...

August 6, 2007 1:25 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

Phil, that was great.

August 6, 2007 1:56 PM
Sharron and Steve Lobman
Member Since '06

Sharron and Steve Lobman said:

This is a great post! Many of us found our way to real estate after a long journey through at least one previous career.

What amazes me is that we truly "gel" and respect intelligence, humor and humility!

August 22, 2007 6:22 PM

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A huge thank you to everyone who contributed to REliberation in the month of August! There were a lot

September 4, 2007 10:00 AM

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