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I was just thinking...

Know Thyself, Then Prosper

By: Mike Farmer
Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:21 AM

I have often heard real estate agents called self-serving who live on the unethical border, are constantly concerned with What’s-In-It-For-Me and are prime candidates for the Megalomaniac Club.

 

There seems to be an idea that these people are successfully serving themselves at the expense of those who are honest, service-minded and ethical.

 

To be honest, I have seen agents like this succeed, at least in terms of financial success. Many I know or have read about appear to have personal problems and very little insight but they are successful in making money or gaining power. However, I don’t think they represent the true meaning of success, and I think they are in the minority, AND I don’t think they are truly serving “self” very well.

 

To truly serve “self” one must take into account the other “selves” that make up the society in which we live and work interdependently as real estate professionals.

 

Also, to truly serve self one must understand what “self” is and adhere to the aphorism most often attributed to Socrates – Know thyself. Can a self isolated in petty, short term greed and raw ambition really know what is best for self? Or is it blindly and ignorantly led along never satisfied, never insightful, never connected to others?

 

It seems a self such as this is lost and a slave to hungers which the self doesn’t fully understand, and doesn’t have control over. If a disconnected and lost self achieves financial success, what has been achieved? More often, unless sociopathy is involved, financial success is illusory, a lonely, unfulfilling pursuit, unless it is accompanied by a full knowledge of self in relation to others. In other words, paradoxically, self-centeredness finds no self at the center, nothing there to enjoy success or even to define success – the result being that blind and ignorant self-serving actually destroys self.

 

God knows I’m not a religious man, but the Bible has some pretty awesome wisdom in it:

 

Luke 9:25
What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?

As a real estate professional do I want to be successful?

Yes, on well thought out terms.

 

At any cost? No.

 

First, I need to know myself, and this is usually accomplished through my dealings with others coupled with an open minded pursuit of insight into what motivates me and what is actually good for “self” – am I operating on principles, honoring my relationships with honesty and integrity, or am I blindly flailing in uncontrolled hunger destroying relationships along with my “self”?

 

Do I do this to perfection? Ha! I would like to thank myself for a laugh this beautiful Tuesday morning.

 

Mike from Savannah

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Comments

Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Great post Mike!  Very Deep, and a little humor too!

A similar point is made by unpacking this teaching - also from the Bible...  "Love your neighbor as yourself".

This sounds simple and good, until you realize that many people don't really love themselves.  After being brought up in a "toxic" or "shame based" environment, with a dysfunctional idea of love, a negative view on life, and a poor self image, they can only poison their neighbor the same way they poison their own life.    

Think about that for a minute.  Rock throwers come to mind.  Those with critical spirits.  Those who always harp on the same topic, over and over...  The problem is not outside... it is inside...  The problem is not with what or who they attack, but that they need to attack at all.

Once we learn to see ourselves in a good light, accept ourselves - warts and all, (KNOW THYSELF) we can truly accept others for who they are.  We can respect the light in others, overlook their struggles, and encourage them along THEIR way... (PROSPER BY HELPING OTHERS PROSPER).

Today...  I claim a little progress in that direction, and confess that I desire much, much more.

Thanks for sharing in this direction.    

August 14, 2007 8:31 AM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

We have a local man, whom, it is joked about around the area, that he will have to be nice to at least "6" people before he dies. These, of course, will be the 6 people who will be asked to carry his coffin.

He is a very arrogant man and has a job that no body wants, county appraiser, but everyone hopes he will be replaced someday with someone with a personality. From the outside he lives and acts like he is successful, yet he has alienated everyone in the process of his "success".  Everyone feels sorry for his wife.

My husband has flown him over different areas so he can get pictures as he also has an appraisal business on the side. My husband has been called "one of the six". We laugh about it, but it truly is not funny that this man has left a path of destruction and spite wherever he has been. He can have his success, he has traded alot of humanity for it. I hope it was worth it.

"For when that One Great Scorer comes to right against your name, He'll write not if you won or lost, but how you played the game."

"that's all I have to say about that" (Forrest Gump)

August 14, 2007 8:44 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Part of my point is that it is not so important that I get criticism levelled at me but how I respond to it.

Knowing my self through others means receiving criticism with an open mind, looking to see if there is any validity to the criticism and making appropriate changes if there is -- this is the way to insight, not me sitting around conjuring up a false image of myself while denying how others see me.

When I deal with others and they are critical I have the choice of dismissing them defensively as rock throwers are thanking them for adding to my insight if there is some truth to their criticism.

August 14, 2007 8:45 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

What brought this to mind was a situation I was involved in lately here in Savannah where I had to look at myself after being criticized by another agent.

My thoughts grew from there to start thinking about this in a larger way.

August 14, 2007 8:47 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

are = or

August 14, 2007 8:50 AM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

Since we are using scripture verses, I will throw this one in I find very helpful. Proverbs 16:7 "When a man's ways please the Lord, He maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him."

So, when we find ourselves being "attacked" or facing alot of criticism, this is the root problem.

August 14, 2007 8:51 AM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

I will really shut up and go to work after this. Ok, we will all face criticism for various reasons, not all mean we are not pleasing the Lord. Sometimes it is because of jealousy, critical spirit, someone trying to "get even". We all get that. If we find ourselves though, always being criticized for the same thing, we need to look a little deeper inside ourselves and ask why.

There will always be "other agents" trying to cause grief. It is when you have many agents attacking you, that you would have a serious problem.

Ok, going to work.

August 14, 2007 8:57 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Yes, Mary. It is a pretty indefensible stance to take that everyone is wrong, stupid and misguided except me.

August 14, 2007 9:00 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

[Mike sez: Part of my point is that it is not so important that I get criticism levelled at me but how I respond to it.]

Mike IMO that is the WHOLE point . . .

How or whether you even need to respond. Most of the time, it's not necessary.

August 14, 2007 9:17 AM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Mike:  

I respect the wisdom shown with this line of reasoning.  However, I submit that this is only one side of the coin, and lets "EVERYBODY ELSE" decide what is right!  

This way of saying "all conflict proves a problem with me and I should learn to change", means that we all should sacrifice self for greater good?  Very Eastern, but not very American....    

Why should we give away our freedom just to avoid conflict?

I appeal to a higher wisdom and sometimes that finds me in conflict with individuals or even masses.    

Conflict was not a stranger to our Nation's Founding Fathers, when they fought back against conflict coming from England (freedom being a greater good).

Conflict was no master of Abraham Lincoln, who perservered in conflict against almost HALF of his own nation, and killed huge numbers of americans, to abolish slavery (freedom being a greater good).

Should founding fathers or Lincoln have been moved by your reasoning, they would have folded, we would still be an English colony, and there would still be slaves in America...

So I ask again, why should we give away our freedom just to avoid conflict?

There is a time to stand against the wind, and against popular opinion.

August 14, 2007 9:32 AM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Or do you hold that we can best know ourselves and prosper by being the person everybody else says we should be?

August 14, 2007 9:35 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

I didn't say the criticized is always wrong and the criticizer is always right. I said to accept criticism with an open mind.

I don't know where you got it wrong.

You have misunderstood my point and created a strawman argument.

August 14, 2007 9:36 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

I appeal to a higher authority, too, after I have checked it out with a few lower authorities.

It would be stupidly arrogant of me to think I have a direct channel to Supreme Wisdom, and just a tad delusional.

August 14, 2007 9:38 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

All great men and women have sought counsel and changed when shown they are wrong.

All great men and women have been wrong at times.

Read the history of Lincoln and the founding fathers.

August 14, 2007 9:44 AM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Mike, you are absolutely right and I am not fighting with you.

I agree in part, that "all great men have sought counsel and changed when shown they are wrong".  And I agree that "all great men have been wrong at times".

Can we note that the other part is also true...  All great men have perservered in the face of conflict - even at great cost.

You seem to agree, so, we are both right?  

Yet you say I got it wrong?  Why do I need to be wrong?  What agenda does that serve - saying I am wrong?

August 14, 2007 10:26 AM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

I care enough for your spirit to be sad when you say this.    

   Mike Said:  "It would be stupidly arrogant of me to think

    I have a direct channel to Supreme Wisdom, and just

   a tad delusional."

The purpose of most spiritual study and practice would seem to be to create a connection to a supreme wisdom.  It seems like that is the very point of your post?  Now you don't think it possible?  

As for a direct channel... well.... some days, oh glorious some days....  

On other days, the signal seems a bit weak...    

August 14, 2007 10:31 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

"Mike, you are absolutely right and I am not fighting with you."

Thank you.

"I agree in part, that "all great men have sought counsel and changed when shown they are wrong".  And I agree that "all great men have been wrong at times"."

Good, now we are making progress.

"Can we note that the other part is also true...  All great men have perservered in the face of conflict - even at great cost."

Yes. But they did so because they gained insight with the help of others that their principles were worth fighting for. Many wanted to give up but were encouraged by other like-minded confidants and supporters to fight the good fight. But isn't this sacrificing self for a greater good, what you denigrated as un-American? Wasn't Lincoln assasinated?

"Yet you say I got it wrong?  Why do I need to be wrong?  What agenda does that serve - saying I am wrong?"

I said you took what I orginally said wrongly and misrepresented it. It serves the agenda of communication and understanding correctly.

August 14, 2007 11:58 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

"I care enough for your spirit to be sad when you say this.    

  Mike Said:  "It would be stupidly arrogant of me to think

   I have a direct channel to Supreme Wisdom, and just

  a tad delusional."

Don't be sad, Lonn, my spirit is fine.

"The purpose of most spiritual study and practice would seem to be to create a connection to a supreme wisdom.  It seems like that is the very point of your post?  Now you don't think it possible?"

You are mistaking absolute knowledge with faith. Great spiritual leaders have also sought counsel to ensure their sense of direct inspiration isn't deluded by arrogance, greed and delusion. Jim Jones was not a great spiritual leader, but I am sure he was confident in his direct line to God.  

"As for a direct channel... well.... some days, oh glorious some days...."

Any lottery numbers coming through?  

"On other days, the signal seems a bit weak..."

Stand against the masses oh Great One! You and Lincoln are practically indistinguishable.    

August 14, 2007 12:06 PM
Randy Bollig
Member Since '07

Randy Bollig said:

Mike,

Your comments are so insightful considering the environment we as Realtors work in. We are called to be in this world, but not of it. We all have seen people who achieve material success, only to lose their spouse and family. The pressure to achieve "volume" is tremendous for us. In many ways we are judged by the "numbers". This is not unique to Realtors, but shared by all persons in sales.

This "restlesness" you have observed was written about by St. Augustine in 390AD. He said "Our hearts were made to be with you, O Lord, and they are restless till they reside with Thee". Read about St. Augustine and his trials. His story is meaningful for any modern Realtor.

Our vocation in life is real estate. We are all obligated to be the best Realtors that we can be, and still honor our vocation to the married life, single life, parenting etc. There is no conflict in pursuing excellence in this profession and following God. In fact, to be a lazy Realtor is a sin. We all owe our best work to our client.

Mike, your questions show that your heart is being drawn closer to God. Listen

Randy Bollig

randymybroker.com

August 14, 2007 12:22 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Thanks Randy.

Mike wrote: "deluded by arrogance, greed and delusion."

Deluded by delusion? How stupid is that?

How about something like: deluded by arrogance, greed or grandeur.

August 14, 2007 12:35 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

“Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or, how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck out of your eye’; yet look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye” (Matthew 7:3-5).

I think I get it, but then again, maybe not.

August 14, 2007 12:45 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Gregory: The speck in my eye might be a lottery number, according to Mike <lol>

Mike:  You seem to have faith that I am confusing absolute knowledge with faith.  I am certain I know the difference.  Faith in Faith will take one far, but not as far as Heaven.  I do not claim the gift of absolute knowledge on a regular basis, but I do get glimpses of it from time to time...  I believe that this state is possible for any Christian and does not really make me special in any way.  

I never equated self to Lincoln... only used him as example of value in standing against popular tide to refute the notion seemingly advanced by you that when one experiences conflict one must consider oneself wrong.  

Apparently we agree that opposition does not necessarily make one wrong, but that it should be pause for thought and said thought may help with insight.

Great!  Again we agree!  

Parting thought....   When insight take place on both sides of a conflict, then an entire community may advance!

August 14, 2007 1:25 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

"As Iron sharpens iron, so the wound of a brother is true"

August 14, 2007 1:32 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

"only used him as example of value in standing against popular tide to refute the notion seemingly advanced by you that when one experiences conflict one must consider oneself wrong."

And I was only kidding about the unintentional, comical association.

Where did I say when confronted with conflict one must consider oneself wrong? I missed that.  

August 14, 2007 2:13 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Gregory, there is another saying: Judge and prepared to be judged.

August 14, 2007 2:16 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

Lonn, my thinking is more along the lines of Rodney King who led police on a high speed chase in his 4 cylinder Hyundai and then asked, "can't we all just get along?"

Some way this is going to make Mike think I'm correcting him and Lonn will use it like sand in wax used for polishing a car. My contribution to this thread is not what you think.

August 14, 2007 2:19 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Opposition doesn't necessarily make one or the other wrong, but creating opposition by misundertanding the original proposition is "getting it wrong'.

August 14, 2007 2:22 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

What do I think?

August 14, 2007 2:23 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

Mike, it is in the same book, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."  However, I always like the lord's prayer and feel the power of "And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us".

I thought your use of the Bible verse was well placed in your blog entry. My contribution has just caused more turmoil and that was not my intent. You can delete and I'll move on.

August 14, 2007 2:44 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

"As Iron sharpens iron, so the wound of a brother is true"

I think the saying is --

"As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another"

August 14, 2007 2:47 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Gregory, just say what you want to say and don't apologize. You are always welcome. If I disagree with you, I will disagree. If you disagree with me, I will take it into account. No big thing.

August 14, 2007 2:50 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

O.K., Mike. Just didn't want to be part of taking your blog on a bad turn. I think it was a good post. I enjoy your contributions here. But, I am signing out for now.

August 14, 2007 3:15 PM
Gail Griffin
Member Since '03

Gail Griffin said:

Interesting post. My thoughts...

I like what Winston Churchill once said: "I have never developed indigestion from eating my own words." With that, another scripture comes to mind: "Humble thyself in the sight of the Lord and he will lift you up."

In today's world...it's all about money. We live in a capitalistic society. Unfortunately, just about everything depends on that bottom line! "The love of money is the root of all evil." Note it is not money, but the LOVE of it! When money is one's focus, it becomes one's goal in life and that will lead only to dispair. Joy will never come through the avenue of money.

August 14, 2007 3:51 PM
Norm Fisher
Member Since '06

Norm Fisher said:

"This above all: to thine own self be true,

And it must follow, as the night the day,

Thou canst not then be false to any man."

William Shakespeare

August 14, 2007 4:18 PM
Ginny  Lee's Team
Member Since '03

Ginny Lee's Team said:

For some reason I don't get all this....I have always believed it is better to give then to receive. I get all my joy in giving. Hugs and love to all. We need to love all our brothers and sisters...after all we have one great father and that is God.

August 14, 2007 4:46 PM
Belinda Walker
Member Since '06

Belinda Walker said:

I agree with Mike that the Bible has many words of wisdom.  I do not agree that we all have one great father...I won't inflict my beliefs upon you all, however, if I did, I would preface with "in my opinion," rather than stating it as fact.

August 14, 2007 5:22 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Randy:

Keep Hoping...  it's one of the big three....  

August 14, 2007 5:43 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Mike:

If your saying is true, then mine is true...

one man sharpens another like iron sharpens iron, then...  it follows that the wound of a brother IS true.

Nevertheless...  I will hang my head in shame because I got it wrong -  Just ask Mike.  

August 14, 2007 5:52 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Mike, you write that being criticized offers a growth opportunity, and then you seem to bristle when I expand, probe, or push your thesis.

What's up with that?  I did not criticize, only explore....  

Speaking of which, on most subjects, is there really a "right"  and "wrong" way to express one's thoughts or feelings...  

Is it wrong to congratulate a poster?  Is it wrong to probe the meaning of a deep comment?  Is it wrong to counterpoint or share an association?    

Mike said:  "When I deal with others and they are critical I have the choice of dismissing them defensively as rock throwers are thanking them for adding to my insight if there is some truth to their criticism."

I don't feel thanked, Mike, and I do feel dismissed....  

I have thanked you Mike, and have not dismissed you...

So I am not sure where this leaves us....

But hey, thanks anyway.

August 14, 2007 5:59 PM
Karen Weger
Member Since '05

Karen Weger said:

Hello all. Mike you always have great posts, some especially good and informative for new agents to the industry. Holly Watkins joins me tonight, she is a new associate with Sunset Canyon Realty. I will be training her to be super agent within months. She will be posting next, be kind to her. :) She has all of the enthusiasm and character it takes to make a succuessful agent. Welcome Hollly!

Thanks!

August 14, 2007 6:14 PM
Sharron and Steve Lobman
Member Since '06

Sharron and Steve Lobman said:

Okay, I have refrained from saying this for a long, long time.

I am a "practicing" Christian and I have chosen my path in life.

However, I have always felt that Lonn sounds high and mighty when he brags about his real estate accomplishment and when he professses his faith. He might be one of the nicest guys in the world, but through the medium of the blog world, he comes across as arrogant and pushy.

(Deep breath--I always try to be uplifting, but I just couldn't hold this in any longer.)

August 14, 2007 6:18 PM
Holly  Watkins
Member Since '07

Holly Watkins said:

Thanks Karen I have been reading and trying to absorb all the advice that everyone has to offer and laughing a bit too.  I hope to be posting soon and asking and telling stories!!

August 14, 2007 6:18 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

Sharron, I'm sure that was very difficult but courageous of you to say.

Actions speak louder than words and I learn more by how people act rather than what they say.

Mike, as always, great food for thought.

August 14, 2007 6:26 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

This medium has its limitations.  Most real communication is non-verbal.   In the absence of the non-verbal, my words without my expression and soul, I find I am utterly failing to communicate what is in my heart.  I am very sad it has come to this.  

I do know myself, and you think you know me, but I am no more truly known than when I began to share of myself...  

Since I have failed in an effort to share, I will go quietly and hope big things for all of you...  

August 14, 2007 6:29 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

A parting question....  

Shall the dark be any darker when the light is come - Or by natural workings, shall it all be made light?

If light makes things light, then how am I cast into darkness by all your light?

August 14, 2007 6:33 PM
Karen Weger
Member Since '05

Karen Weger said:

You all are barking up the wrong tree.

August 14, 2007 6:34 PM
Sharron and Steve Lobman
Member Since '06

Sharron and Steve Lobman said:

Welcome to Holly!

Mike's post got a little hijacked, but Karen is right that his posts are deeply informative and inspiring.

All the best to you!!!!

August 14, 2007 6:49 PM
Sharron and Steve Lobman
Member Since '06

Sharron and Steve Lobman said:

And Lonn, I never meant to drive you away. I would miss your presence here.

August 14, 2007 7:17 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Lonn, everybody reading can follow the flow of the conversation, no matter how you twist it to make yourself out as the victim.

Thanks for all the great comments.

Welcome Holly!

August 14, 2007 7:21 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

This thread is so over my head but I'll give it 5 stars !!!

August 14, 2007 8:29 PM
Karen Weger
Member Since '05

Karen Weger said:

Making my head swim too. Whew.

August 14, 2007 8:42 PM
Belinda Walker
Member Since '06

Belinda Walker said:

Welcome Holly!  You will be great, I have no doubt!  I bet you'll love having Karen for a broker, as well.

August 14, 2007 9:13 PM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

I actually found most of the dialog pretty interesting. But I am a Mike fan and he does get into some deep meanings and thought provoking threads.

Sometimes it is hard to get the real intent of written words but it is probably also important to see that the words are not communicating the thoughts desired. Since the topic was know thyself, I found it interesting that the topic had more scripture in it than I hear on Sunday. (All good but..)

I always looked at knowing oneself as some deep introspective analysis. At the end you looked back and decided that these are the things I need to work on and these are the things I feel I am doing right. It like a lot of things in life is an ongoing process to reach a level of happiness that makes you feel good inside the skin you wear.

So to me it isn't a subject that is very debatable since the only person involved is you and that is why "self" is the predominant word in the text. Comments and criticism are tools you use to make you determination if you are pleased with that person that looks back at you in the mirror. They are also the tools you use to make yourself better.

You will never please everyone but if you can start with that mirror and please that one, the odds are you'll start pleasing other, as well.

August 14, 2007 9:16 PM
Belinda Walker
Member Since '06

Belinda Walker said:

Sharron - In my opinion, people believe and "practice" how they choose and that's how it should be.  Even the most faithful of the flock tend not to wear it on their shirt sleeves all of the time and respect others, even if they believe they are wrong, as you seem to do.

I was raised within a Christian church, was baptized, and a member of the church.  When I was grown, I chose a different path, although not that far away.  From my experience within a Christian society, it tends to be those who proclaim the loudest that need to find the "straight & narrow" the quickest.

August 14, 2007 9:18 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

I am not touching the christian stuff because I feel that religion is personal and individual. Having said that, I always enjoy Mikey's posts! :)

August 15, 2007 6:28 AM
Tim and Susan Fennell
Member Since '06

Tim and Susan Fennell said:

FWIW

Galations 5:22-23  "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

1 Corinthians 8:1 "...knowledge puffs up but love builds up..."

Woody Allen is credited with saying, “If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.”

There's probably a bit of truth in that and... “If you want to hear him laugh even louder, tell him how much you know.” Just because it’s true, however, doesn’t make it easy to accept.

It’s hard to admit that we do not know as much as we think we know.

John Ruskin said, “I believe that the first test of a truly great man is his humility. I don't mean by humility, doubt of his power. But really great men have a curious feeling that the greatness is not of them, but through them. And they see something divine in every other man and are endlessly, foolishly, incredibly merciful.”

August 15, 2007 7:18 AM
Karen Weger
Member Since '05

Karen Weger said:

Thanks Bee.

August 15, 2007 7:33 AM
Holly  Watkins
Member Since '07

Holly Watkins said:

Thanks for welcoming me!  Yes, Karen is one of a kind, a great person to be working under as a newbie!!

August 15, 2007 8:56 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Lonn, I received your email threatening to report me to the moderators and have me banned because I said you twisted my words in order to make yourself out as a victim, and because I joked about the Lincoln thing.

Lonn, you twisted words, which I corrected about three times, and I am still laughing about the unintentional, comical association with Lincoln and the founding fathers.

Report away Big Guy, but let's keep it public so everyone knows what happened if I am suddenly whisked out in handcuffs.

August 15, 2007 9:02 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Handcuffs, Mike you wish! You might like it . . . LOL sorry couldn't resist . . .

August 15, 2007 11:05 AM
Belinda Walker
Member Since '06

Belinda Walker said:

Oh wow, we have a tattler amongst us?  I thought we were all adults.

August 15, 2007 4:32 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

You thought that about ME, B? Silly wabbit . . . LOL

August 16, 2007 12:15 PM
Belinda Walker
Member Since '06

Belinda Walker said:

Oh, no, not you, Candice :)

August 16, 2007 3:05 PM
Sharron and Steve Lobman
Member Since '06

Sharron and Steve Lobman said:

Tim and Susan,

I was just rereading this post and I was struck by the quote that you put on your post. Even through the medium of communication through the Internet, a person's humility shines through. So, I reposted your great post!

John Ruskin said, “I believe that the first test of a truly great man is his humility...really great men have a curious feeling that the greatness is not of them, but through them. And they see something divine in every other man and are endlessly, foolishly, incredibly merciful.”

August 18, 2007 9:04 AM
Sharron and Steve Lobman
Member Since '06

Sharron and Steve Lobman said:

When Mike first launched his post, he ended it with these profound words:

First, I need to know myself, and this is usually accomplished through my dealings with others coupled with an open minded pursuit of insight into what motivates me and what is actually good for “self” – am I operating on principles, honoring my relationships with honesty and integrity, or am I blindly flailing in uncontrolled hunger destroying relationships along with my “self”?

First, I need to know myself, and this is usually accomplished through my dealings with others coupled with an open minded pursuit of insight into what motivates me and what is actually good for “self” – am I operating on principles, honoring my relationships with honesty and integrity, or am I blindly flailing in uncontrolled hunger destroying relationships along with my “self”?

Do I do this to perfection? Ha!

I think his powerful message got lost in the brouhaha that ensued, but as we get ready for a new week, I think this is a good time to consider the original intent of his post.

August 19, 2007 8:45 AM
Sharron and Steve Lobman
Member Since '06

Sharron and Steve Lobman said:

Congrats to Mike for launching the 4th most popular post ever!

August 22, 2007 2:52 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Thanks, Sharron, it was really nothing. (blush)

August 22, 2007 2:56 PM

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Jacquelyn Gyug said:

A huge thank you to everyone who contributed to REliberation in the month of August! There were a lot

September 4, 2007 10:00 AM

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