Carey:  I encourage agents to sign up for the free scripts because I believe they are helpful in learning dialogue.  Just because I support one product by a particular provider does not mean I have to like everything they do.  That should esplain the distinction between why I recommended the daily scripts and simultaneously discouraged agents who are at the learning dialogue stage from signing up for a 12 month coaching commitment...  

This all seems to make perfect sense.  Isn't it possible you might praise a car manufacturer for doing a good job with a hybrid car design, even if you thought they really blew it with their Truck line.

Vance:  Michaela:  

Who says I am not a Realtor?  I say I am.  

Are You Sure About What You Wrote?  

If you publish falsely about me, one more time, making unsolicited and false comments, then I will report you to your local board(s), your state board(s) and NAR for violation of our code of ethics.  

COMMENT TO MODERATOR:  

Why do you allow people to make accusations of illegal or unethical behavior on this forum about other Realtors?  It is clear that several agents have made an accusation of wrongdoing, unethical behavior, or even illegal behavior on my part.  

This is against NAR code of ethics.  There are channels for this if they believe it to be true.  In this case, they don't want to use the channels, they just want to appear holier or smarter than me...    

Guess the egg is on their face.  As usual.

I still belong to NAR.  I am still a Realtor.  

I hang my license with a holding company.  I do not compete with other Realtors in town for what business is there, but instead I work at a job that might help them increase their market image and sales.

I can still help people buy or sell, buy referring them to an active agent.    

Barb:  

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to my opinion.

My OPINION was published as a simple, impersonal opinion.  I merely said some of Brinton's services were expensive.  I also praised others.  My statement was an assertion of belief, and not a condemnation.  It works for some, as you say.  

Your "OPINION" was a personal attack, to say I "put him down", which I don't think I did.  Further, you say I "broke the rules", but gave no  citation of the rule I broke.  Can you please describe what rule I broke?  

Mike:  Your statement could have been made to moderators without being on my blog.  They have an email address for this.  You are a smart man - so you know this.  

I charge that your denigration of me was public, and intentional.

It is in fact posts like yours that have no place on relib.

Cindy, Sharon:  

Thanks for playing.  I rank your opinion and that of any other member here as equal with mine.  If you find my opinion to lack an "H" then that is your opinion.  So be it.  

Where I come from in using IMHO is to say my opinion is not felt to be better than that of others - unless they prove theirs is not worthy by hanging it out there repeatedly when it is wrong.  

Michaela:  Please forgive me if I misunderstood this comment of yours

    "Hand in hand with what Vance said"

Please help me understand what ethical standard you think I am failing?  As a holding company agent I am a licensed agent, entitled to act as a licensed agent.  I do not belong to the local MLS because my broker does not belong.  However, I am allowed to use my sphere and expertise to generate and refer leads to practicing agents.    

Michaela:  Please forgive me if I misunderstood this comment of yours

    "Hand in hand with what Vance said"

I thought that you were agreeing with what Vance had said.  I now see that you were adding to what he said but apparently not seconding it???  

Please help me understand what ethical standard you think I am failing?  As a holding company agent I am a licensed agent, entitled to act as a licensed agent.  I do not belong to the local MLS because my broker does not belong.  However, I am allowed to use my sphere and expertise to generate and refer leads to practicing agents.    

Vance:  

I just wrote, to Michaela, immediately before your question,

  "I do not belong to the local MLS because my broker does not belong."  

To amplify, my dues are paid up for Toledo Board of Realtors, but... since I changed brokers, and my broker does not belong, I don't belong.  That's the way I understand it.  

However, in my current licensing status and broker affiliation, I am a licensed agent, and am allowed to generate and refer leads to practicing agents.  

Vance:  Anybody who belongs to the NAR is a Realtor.  I belong.

Vance...  That's not my foot.  It may be yours.  Proud?

Vance gave the link... to 2007 Million Dollar Club    

Here are the details:  There were only 96 members in our market to exceed 2.5 MM in the 2006 - 2007 season.  I would have been one of that top 96 (of 1500+) if I had bothered to apply.  In fact, I would almost have made the cut to the top 36 Realtors in town....  

From the TBR Web Site:  

"Congratulations to the 2007 members of the Toledo Board of REALTORS ® Million Dollar Club! This year there were 227 members of the club. 131 are Award of Achievement, 60 are Award of Distinction, 14 are Award of Excellence and 22 are Pinnacle of Performance."

Award of Achievement

1 Million in Sales

Award of Distinction

2.5 Million in Sales

Award of Excellence

5 Million in Sales

Pinnacle of Performance

7.5 Million in Sales

Belinda:  Where is that rule #1 you refer to?  Do you have a link for us?

Vance-a-Lot has proven nothing, and is still wrong.  Because he continued, after a warning, I will report him to as many authorities as possible.

I have an Ohio Sales Agent License.  I also have a MI Sales Agent License.  My dues are current in both states.  I belong to NAR.  I am a Realtor.  Case Closed

BTW:  Vance, who proudly works two states, seems to forget to check both states when lying about me.

You can find my MI license and Monroe County Association of REALTORS affiliation listed here - try page 21

http://www.mcar.ws/MEMBERSHIP/Agents/tabid/90/Default.aspx

CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF PRACTICE OF MCAR®  

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Where the word REALTORS® is used in this Code and Preamble, it shall be deemed to include REALTOR-ASSOCIATES®.

While the Code of Ethics establishes obligations that may be higher than those mandated by law, in any instance where the Code of Ethics and the law conflict, the obligation of the law must take precedence.

PREAMBLE

Under all is the land. Upon its wise utilization and widely allocated ownership depend the survival and growth of free institutions and of our civilization. REALTORS® should recognize that the interests of the nation and its citizens require the highest and best use of the land and the widest distribution of land ownership. They require the creation of adequate housing, the building of functioning cities, the development of productive industries and farms, and the preservation of a healthful environment.

Such interests impose obligations beyond those of ordinary commerce. They impose grave social responsibility and a patriotic duty to which REALTORS® should dedicate themselves, and for which they should be diligent in preparing themselves. REALTORS®, therefore, are zealous to maintain and improve the standards of their calling and share with their fellow REALTORS® a common responsibility for it integrity and honor.

In recognition and appreciation of their obligations to clients, customers, the public, and each other, REALTORS® continuously strive to become and remain informed on issues affecting real estate and, as knowledgeable professionals, they willingly share the fruit of their experience and study with others. They identify and take steps, through enforcement of this Code of Ethics and by assisting appropriate regulatory bodies, to eliminate practices which may damage the public or which might discredit or bring dishonor to the real estate profession.

Realizing that cooperation with other real estate professionals promotes the best interests of those who utilize their services, REALTORS® urge exclusive representation of clients; do not attempt to gain any unfair advantage over their competitors; and they refrain from making unsolicited comments about other practitioners. In instances where their opinion is ought, or where REALTORS® believe that comment is necessary, their opinion is offered in an objective, professional manner, uninfluenced by any personal motivation or potential advantage or gain.

The term REALTOR® has come to connote competency, fairness, and high integrity resulting from adherence to a lofty ideal of moral conduct in business relations. No inducement of profit and no instruction from clients ever can justify departure from this ideal.

In the interpretation of this obligation, REALTORS® can take no safer guide than that which has been handed down through the centuries, embodied in the Golden Rule, "Whatsoever ye would that others should do to you, do ye even so to them."

Accepting this standard as their own, REALTORS® pledge to observe its spirit in all of their activities and to conduct their business in accordance with the tenets set forth below.

BASIC PRINCIPALS OF CODE OF ETHICS

Protect and promote your Client's Interests, But be Honest with All Parties.

Avoid Exaggeration, Misrepresentation, and Concealment of Pertinent Facts. Do Not Reveal Facts That Are Confidential Under the Scope of Your Agency Relationship.

Cooperate with Other Real Estate Professionals to Advance Client's Best Interests.

When Buying or Selling, Make Your Position in the Transaction or Interest Known.

Disclose Present or Contemplated Interest in Any Property to All Parties.

Avoid Side Deal s Without Client's Informed Consent.

Accept Compensation from only One Party, Except with Full Disclosure and Informed Consent.

Keep the Funds of Clients and Customers in Escrow.

Assure, Whenever Possible, That Transactional Details are in Writing.

Provide Equal Service to All Clients and Customers.

Be knowledgeable and Competent in the Fields of Practice in Which You Ordinarily Engage. Obtain Assistance or Disclose Lack of Experience If Necessary.

Present a True Picture in Your Advertising and Other Public Representations.

Do Not Engage in the Unauthorized Practice of Law.

Be a Willing Participant in Code Enforcement Procedures.

Ensure that Your Comments about Other Real Estate Professionals Are Truthful, and Not Misleading.

Respect the Agency Relationships and other Exclusive Relationships Recognized by Law and that other REALTORS® have with their Clients.

Arbitrate Contractual and Specific Non-contractual Disputes with Other REALTORS® and with Your Clients.

For full text, refer to "Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS®"

Compliments of Monroe County Association of REALTORS®.

From Ohio Division of Real Estate - Web Search, Licensees

shows I am clearly licensed, clearly status=active - good til birthday 2010

Name and Address    

Name  Doing Business As (DBA)  City  State  

Lonn C Dugan Jr.    Sylvania  OH  

Registration Information    

Profession  File Number  Status  

Original Issue Date  Last Issue Date  Expiration Date  CE Due Date  

Real Estate Salesperson  SAL.2003014016  ACTIVE  

09/12/2003  11/01/2007  05/18/2010  05/18/2010  

...

Employer Information    

Employer File Number  Employer Name  Employer Doing Business As  

REC.0000378655  Referral Assoc. Real Estate, Inc.  Masters Real Estate Network  

Copyright © 1997-2007  CAVU Corporation All Rights Reserved

Leo:  

Thanks for the chapter and verse.  A voice of reason is very welcome.

Vance, Bee, and rock throwers club...

My license hangs on the wall of a broker, I belong to a local association, and am Still a Realtor.

What a lovely, charming, and friendly group!

Be:  I said "belongs", as in MEMBER.  If you are a MEMBER then you are a REALTOR.  I never said I was an affiliate member.  Rules may be different for Affiliate members... not my concern.  I belong, as MEMBER.  Thanks for all your help with this.

I bet P2 is proud of it's crew tonight....

Here I was giving free resources and reviewing coaching progams, trying to help others....

Now who were you building up and how?

This crew is seriously out of joint and off track.  I posted the exact same thing at Active Rain today and got quite a different response.

Amazing...

Bee,

This post was not defensive or argumentative until Mike, Vance, Cindy, and Barb began setting that tone.

Prior to that, it was a helpful sharing of learning free resources, along with a comment on coaching models that I don't find helpful.

This post was not too different than others where members have said they want some of what Realtor.com offers, but they hate other of their products for being too expensive.

Essentially - I said the same thing about Brinton as othes have said about Realtor.com.  Can say the same thing about Mike Ferry Organization or Brian Buffini...  Can say the same thing about ford cars or chevy trucks.  

No harm, no foul - at least not on my part.  

Abe:  Yes, there CERTAINLY ARE a lot of antagonistic responses here given the innocuous nature of my post.  Thanks for noticing.

Bee:  The honesty of your confession is refreshing.

You said:  "Some days I'm just in a pissy mood and feeling messing with someone and pick the easiest target I can find.  There's no arguing with me since what I'm saying doesn't even really matter to me.  Just a big game I'm playing for the moment because it gives me something to do for a few hours when I'm caught up on all of my work..."

Abe:  There are many ways a coach can help.  Sometimes simple revelation works.  Sometimes a gentle questioning works better than "telling".  Sometimes you have to push past a few defenses.  Sometimes you have to go negative and get the client to push back.  Then, when they listen to themselves, they realize that their position does not make much sense.  Lots of styles work.  A good coach can be flexible and draw on whichever seems to work best with a particular client.  BTW:  I don't elicit this kind of response EVER in real life, nor from coaching clients.  Interesting, isn't it?