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Keywords -- the best are not always what you think

By: Nick Coleman
Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:11 AM

I've put alot of thought into how to drive traffic to my three sites (www.parkcitysold.com (main site), www.parkcityhomeprices.com (seller site), and www.parkcitybuyer.com (buyer site)) over the past 6 months.  The effort has resulted in the www.parkcitysold.com site being on page one of Yahoo.  And, has reduced the cost of my adword campaigns with Google, MSN Live, and Yahoo.

The process involved

1. Researching which keywords are used the most frequently

2. Looking at how many competitor sites where optimized for each keyword

3. Determining how much the pay-per-click was for a particular keyword.

What is interesting is what I thought would be the keyword that would generate the most impressions was not the one that actually did.  For example, "Park City UT Real Estate" generates about 50% more impressions than "Park City Real Estate".

And, it turns out that most of the local real estate websites where optimized for "Park City Real Estate" on only one was optimized for "Park City UT Real Estate".  And, guess which one was cheaper for buying adwords Smile.

The other keyword campaign is subdivision oriented (I just started this).  I've set up pages on the main website that are oriented to the various sub-divisions -- information on the area, market stats, etc. No one is doing this in my area.  So, the keywords are cheap to buy (less than a 25 cents per click) and I should be able to get reasonable SE indexing over the next few months for each of these pages.

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Comments

Alvin Leivan
Member Since '06

Alvin Leivan said:

Hey Nick, you are right that the keywords are very important in acquiring good placement in the search engines.  I have been working on mine pretty strongly for the past couple weeks and found this morning that I was Number 2 on yahoo when the search was for Joplin Misouri real estate.  I have done this work with the tutorial help of P2A only and have not used pay per click, so it must have been the correct keywords and the rich textual content as P2A says we should have.  Needless to say I am really pleased with the P2A team.

April 19, 2007 10:09 AM
Corie Seymour
Member Since '06

Corie Seymour said:

Nick, I tried this on subdivisions as keywords, and Google disqualified 33 of them, suggesting that I increase my bid to $1.00 per click.  Thats more than I pay for westjordanrealestate. I thought it was a great Idea, ( suggested by Jay ) but I stopped. I would appreciate your secret if you have one.  Will pay you back with a lead from time to time, as I occasionally get one from out of state on my site and we dont go out of our area.

Thanks

April 19, 2007 11:09 AM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Some big hitters say that the people who search "Real Estate City Name" or "Real Estate CityName StateName" are mostly

Telemarketers who want to call Realtors

Other Realtors

Allied Professionals

I have found that consumers don't use the word real estate as much as they use the words home, homes, house, buy house, sell house, buy home, sell home, etc.

This makes the following phrases even better than Real Estate CityName for producing REAL buyer and seller traffic on your web site:

CityName Homes

CityName Homes For Sale

Homes For Sale in CityName StateName

: )

April 19, 2007 11:30 AM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

Lonn, I agree with you. Buyers and Sellers don't use the words real estate very often. But, my home page is labeled the way you describe and yet I am not on the first page of a search engine. Any other suggestions? I said in another post you use 20 to 30 domain names. Are they part of each web site or just point to a web site?

April 19, 2007 12:41 PM
Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

Lonn makes a good point ... many folks will use terms other than real estate (e.g. <city> homes, etc.).  But, the analysis I went after was how to get placement for keywords that had a high number of impressions but with an acceptable level of competition .  

"<city> homes", etc. had lots of competition ... thus hard to get the placement I wanted.  The keyword sets I chose had less competition ... and, in the aggregate, more impressions.   Therefore, IMHO, would generate more business at less cost.  And, it is generating business.

(Of course, that doesn't mean don't go after placement for the other keywords ... just that it makes sense to go after the easy targets first.)

April 19, 2007 12:47 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

Thanks Nick. Isn't there more to just key words on getting placed on a search engine? I have seen something call RSS and some other set of initials that are needed for the "robot" to find you. Does your site have other things to make you move to the top of the list?

April 19, 2007 2:12 PM
Ronda Kaufman
Member Since '06

Ronda Kaufman said:

I have been using City Name homes for sale since I started reading Lonn's ebook. I was well over the #100 then and I just checked and I am now #32. It's been a couple of weeks so I feel this is working. I have alot of "old sites" to compete against so I think I'm doing ok. I'm still tweaking with it. Thanks Lonn for the ebook.

April 19, 2007 2:20 PM
Teresa Kennedy  ABR,e-PRO,GRI,WCR
Member Since '05

Teresa Kennedy ABR,e-PRO,GRI,WCR said:

HI've bought some neighborhoods in the auction.......what advise do ya'll have for me to help my placement on the google search? :-)

April 19, 2007 4:21 PM
Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

Gregory ... there is a lot more to it.  But, understanding which keywords to use is right at the baseline of the SE optimization and your pay-per-click campaign.  

Essentially (to be nicely placed on the SEs), you need to incoporate them into your domain name (if possible), meta-tags, website text, alt-tags, etc.  You also need to submit your website to the search engines so they'll spider it.  And, you should find sites that will point to yours (one way is best, but recripocal link-exchange is OK).

Lonn's ebook (it's on the blogs here) gives a good starting point to understanding all this.  Because there is more to it than just keywords.

April 19, 2007 5:17 PM
Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

Teresa ... buying Point2 neighborhoods is OK because clients will find them (and thus generate business for you).  But, I'm not sure how useful they are for SE optimization for your website.  

What I was discussing was creating a page on my website (vice a Point2Home neighborhood) for a physical subdivision and then driving traffic to it.  The supposition is that not many websites (read Agents) do this.  Thus, it will be easier to get 1st page position on the search engines and, if you want to do a adword campaign, cheaper pay-per-clicks.

April 19, 2007 5:27 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

Nick I'm going to take a look at this ebook. You are not the first to mention it. You also have stated the pay per click as a method of getting your web site raised in the SE ratings. How much do you think an agent should budget for this type of advertising? And, how about paying a search engine submission company? There seems to be alot of them and they all have different pay scales. Do you recommend any of them?

April 19, 2007 5:42 PM
Teresa Kennedy  ABR,e-PRO,GRI,WCR
Member Since '05

Teresa Kennedy ABR,e-PRO,GRI,WCR said:

Oh dear! Do I ad keywords for my subdivisions that I add to my website in the place where it lets us add meta keywords on the office editing page?

Thanks for your help! :-)

April 19, 2007 5:55 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Thanks for kind words about my eBook...

To Nick, Rhonda, and those others who have said nice things - it helps make the effort worthwhile to know it has helped you.

April 19, 2007 10:50 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Teresa:

YES!  Add new pages for subdivisions, then tweak the meta keywords, description, and page name, page title, page header in your office editing page!  Follow the tips in my eBook so that you use the same 6-8 words to start in each of these spaces... and then start the page content with same words, use the same words over and over again, as paragraph headers, headlines, and content.  Then throw the same words in at the page bottom.  Every time you use these magic keywords, you can vary the singular and plural versions, make slightly different sentences out of them.  

April 19, 2007 10:54 PM
Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

Gregory,  

I don't believe the pay-per-click advertising actually helps your page to be indexed (although I could be wrong) so that you will gain page position in the "natural" rankings (i.e. those you don't pay for).   I'm using the pay-per-click as a mean to generate business  until I gain "natural" position for a particulare keyword.  When that happens, I remove that keyword from the pay-per-click campaign.

I currently budget $1,000 per month to my adword campaign.  But, I work in an area were the keywords are very expensive (over $3.50 everytime someone clicks on the link for some words).  This is why I'm so intriqued with the analyzing which keywords generate traffic but don't have a lot of "natural" competition -- like the subdivisions (which cost around 25 cents per click).

As far as a budget goes, it can be whatever you want to spend.  When you sent up an adword campaign (w/ Google, Yahoo, MSN) you tell them: 1) how much you'll spend per click & 2) what your monthly budget is.

When you tell them how much per keyword you'll spend for a click, they'll tell you what the estimated position in the sponsered area will be.  I never go after the first or second position.  Instead, I try to be number 3 (which really means I'll usually vary between position 2 & 4).  My experience tells me that this is just as good as being #1 in the sponsored area.  And, it saves between 25% to 50% on the per click price.

Not sure if this answers your question.

April 20, 2007 1:53 PM
Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

Teresa ... you can see a couple of subdivision pages I've built:

  http://jeremyranch.parkcitysold.com and

  http://powderwood.parkcitysold.com

On the page, see how I've used the subdivision and other keywords through out the text. In Internet Explorer, click on view then source.  You'll see how I've setup the meta tags to match the text.

(any comments on improvements to these pages would be appreciated)

April 20, 2007 2:01 PM
Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

Greg ... If you don't feel technically comfortable, then a SEO company is a necessity -- after all a website that no one can find is pretty much worthless.  But, plan to budget $3K to $5K per year for the help on top of any direct (e.g. pay-per-click) expenses.

I don't really have one to recommend since I do my own SEO.  (I was involved in the computer/software industry for 30 years before becoming a realtor.  And, am a retired Air Force LtCol ... so, the retirement check funded my real estate start up.)  But, I would suggest that you give it a go yourself before you pay anyone.  

Start by looking at Lonn's ebook.  And, there a lot of us who will help answer your questions.  Of course, some of the advice may be worth what you pay it (free = ? LOL).  I would also recommend a free tool from www.WebCEO (I'm sure we'll now see a religious disccusion on its pros/cons 8^) ... this will help with SE submissions, reviewing your rankings, etc.  I use it and it has helped a lot.

April 20, 2007 2:14 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

Thanks, Nick. I have downloaded the first chapter of the ebook and I am reading it now. My retired SFC pay from the US Army does not give me that big a budget to work with, but I am willing to do the work. Thanks again. Greg

April 20, 2007 2:20 PM
Lou Burns
Member Since '03

Lou Burns said:

I have heard conflicting info regarding keywords and description for each page on the website. Should they be repetitive, slightly different or completely different???

April 28, 2007 9:53 AM
Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

IMHO, they should be somewhat different.  Each page should have a theme that is focused on a particular set of keywords.  I say this for  because you want to have your site show on the search engines for as many keywords as possible ... and, it is hard to optimize a single page for every keyword or potential keyword combination.

The real question is what those keywords/themes should be ... since there is a wide variety of ways that a potential client could enter a "real estate" search term.

I'm going to start a new blog entry on what those might be and ask others to contribute to the list.  Or, point to real estate articles that might give us ideas.

April 30, 2007 8:16 AM
Catherine Bosch
Member Since '07

Catherine Bosch said:

Thank you to all of you that have contributed knowledge and shared it with us. We are in various parts of the country and there is enough real estate for all of us to earn a comfortable living, but not everyone is willing to assist others to learn, and I appreciate you sharing and want you all to know that.

May 9, 2007 9:08 PM

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