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Using Multiple Domain Names

By: Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS®
Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:30 AM

I just responded to a question on the message board that I though a few "RELibbers" might find useful.

The question was along the lines of:

Does anyone know if you can have more than 1 domain point to your primary domain? As I understand it, there is no good reason to mask and point domains, but it is better to re-direct them? I have several domain names and would like them ALL to go to my primary site, but also be searchable on the search engines. As I understand it, masked and forwarded sites don't come up on the search engines. Right?

Here is my answer:

There is a way to have multiple domain names pointing to the same site or page and still remain searchable. But it's not a good idea (at all) to do that. Eventually the search engines will realize there are different domain names pointing to the same site and they will penalize them all (potentially including the main site domain). Penalty could range from lower search engine placement to banning the domain names from the search engines.

They see multiple domains pointing to the same site as "duplicate content". They implement this penalty to keep people from buying dozens (or hundreds or thousands) of domain names and manipulating search results with them.

Redirecting a domain name (properly, with what is known as a 301 redirect) tells the search engines to ignore the redirected domain, and eliminates the dup content penalty.

That begs the question, "What is the point in redirecting a domain name?"

That's best illustrated by an example:

We have a page on our site about a certain area in Phoenix called Whispering Ranch. The address for that page is:

http://www.thompsonsrealty.com/Whispering_Ranch_AZ_Land/page_1365554.html

If I want to put that domain name in an ad, on a postcard or a flyer or a yard sign, or even give it to someone over the phone, it's almost impossible due to the length of the domain name. (just try saying that link out loud like you'd have to do with someone on the phone...)

So we bought a domain name and re-direct it to that page.

http://www.WhisperingRanch.info

That can fit in an ad, be remembered, and is easy to communicate. But it's not "searchable". However, the page itself (the one with the big long domain name) is most certainly searchable. It's #1 in Google for the terms "Whispering Ranch", "Whispering Ranch real estate", "Whispering Ranch land", "Whispering Ranch Realtor", "land in Whispering Ranch" and many more related terms.

So I don't really need "WhisperingRanch.info" to be indexed in the search engines. This page gets plenty of search engine exposure without WhisperingRanch.info being indexed.

If it were allowed to be indexed, what would happen is the exact same page would be showing up multiple times in Googles results, and that's not what Google wants. If they allowed multiple domain names pointing to the same page to be indexed, there would be nothing to stop me from getting 10 Whispering Ranch domain names, pointing them to my page, and having all 10 of those domain names showing up on page 1 of Google. Not that I'd mind that, but I can see why Google doesn't want it that way. I don't want it that way when I'm searching for something. I want to see different options, not the same page over and over just with a different name...

Make sense?

Hope that helps!

Jay

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Comments

Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

In fact ... that is why the "Point Domains & Aliases" recommended setup is that you redirect to the default domain.  And, if you don't, P2 will instruct the search engines to ignore the domain.

May 23, 2007 10:48 AM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

Jay and Nick.

Thank you for discussing this!  

I have a couple domain names and I use the "Point Domains & Aliases" setup at P2A, redirecting them all to my main site (www.NewPortlandHome.com).

In doing so, am I hurting my SEO?  If so, how do I actually do this "301 Redirect"?  (Please remember, I'm dense and need you to speak to me as you would a child.... :)

Thank you for taking my call.  Love your show.  I'll take your response off the air.

May 23, 2007 11:05 AM
Lucia Brooks
Member Since '03

Lucia Brooks said:

I have purchased some additional urls to use with my north metro atlanta website.  I have lbrg.info, lbrg.us and the like (lucia brooks realty group).  I use them with my listings.  So I can have them as http://829verbenaway.lbrg.us and use the different urls to track where the offline traffic comes from.

But they marked to be redirected on the domains and email page so there should be no problem with that right?

Now if I wanted any other urls's that would be specific to a certain web page, I would still set the url up using the P2 nameservers, wait for them to show up and then point them to any webpage I wanted on the domains and email page, click the check the box that says to redirect them, and then everything will be fine as far as SEO goes, correct?

Doing it that way is better than having them forwarded from another server to your individual web pages on the P2 servers, correct?  

May 23, 2007 11:39 AM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

Now Jay, see, you need to post here and often. You are on the cover, expectations are high-it's ok to be on the message boards, but some of us like it here so keep coming back OR I will be  planting songs in your head again.....

May 23, 2007 11:44 AM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

This will teach you, Jay.  No good deed goes unpunished!   :)

May 23, 2007 11:52 AM
Lucia Brooks
Member Since '03

Lucia Brooks said:

Well exuuuuuse me!

May 23, 2007 11:58 AM
Todd Clark
Member Since '06

Todd Clark said:

Thank you Jay,

Makes me glad that I just set up different sites for each of my niches and didn't redirect them to my main website and a backpage.

Todd

May 23, 2007 11:59 AM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

Phil - the beauty of doing it through P2 is they take care of all of it. For a 301, just leave the box checked next to "Redirect to default domain (recommended)" and *poof*! the 301 is done. If you uncheck the box, they also ensure that no SEO damage will be done.

May 23, 2007 12:14 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

Thank you, Jay.  

I'm sure you were trying to keep our website host's name out of this thread and I hope it stays on REliberation. If not, I will take you and Francy out to the best dinner I can afford.  In that instance, just let me know when you'll be flying into Portland. :)

May 23, 2007 12:22 PM
Lucia Brooks
Member Since '03

Lucia Brooks said:

For my personal edification, is there some kind of problem I am causing by asking questions about a post that was made in a venue that is supposed to invite discussion and questions or is it a problem that my questions may cause our website host to move this from REliberation over to the web site host's message boards?  Please let me know so I will know the proper etiquette before I comment again.

May 23, 2007 12:36 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

No, of course not, Lucia.   You have a guilty conscience....

My reply to Jay about "Good deeds" was not aimed at you at all.  

God, I wonder if Mary is thinkin' the same thing?.... Mary?....you OK?...

May 23, 2007 12:39 PM
Ronda Kaufman
Member Since '06

Ronda Kaufman said:

Jay or anyone,

Dumb question coming.. my website is www.rksellsbartow.com.

I have people asking me if it is "sales" instead of "sells". Should I buy that one also and direct it to my main one?? I'm not real good at this stuff.

May 23, 2007 12:41 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

P.S.: I would have responded sooner, but I had to look up "edification", and I'm glad I did!  Initially I thought it had to do with some kind of attraction between sons and mothers.

May 23, 2007 12:42 PM
Lucia Brooks
Member Since '03

Lucia Brooks said:

Thank you Phil, I just don't want to look like an idiot here.

May 23, 2007 12:47 PM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

Lucia - You are correct on all accounts!

May 23, 2007 12:53 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

Hey Rhonda.  YES!  That's what and why I did it also.  I think that's what Jay is saying.  I bought some varieties of my website name so that even if people misspell it a bit, they land there.

May 23, 2007 12:56 PM
Carol and Steve Coldwell Banker Parker Realty
Member Since '05

Carol and Steve Coldwell Banker Parker Realty said:

This subject has ALWAYS confused me!!  

I hope Point 2 has us covered here.  I'm sure they do!

May 23, 2007 12:57 PM
Lucia Brooks
Member Since '03

Lucia Brooks said:

Thank you Jay, and thanks again Phil.

May 23, 2007 12:57 PM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

OK, well THERE is a problem with how blogs and message boards display comments.

My comment that says, "Lucia - You are correct on all accounts!" was directed toward Lucia's comment that started with, "I have purchased some additional urls to use with my north metro atlanta website...."

But because of the delay in posting, Lucia comments, "I just don't want to look like an idiot here" and THEN my comment that she is correct gets posted.

That could make it appear that I'm saying Lucia is correct in that she looks like an idiot!  And that was certainly not my intent.

May 23, 2007 12:58 PM
Ronda Kaufman
Member Since '06

Ronda Kaufman said:

Thanks Phil. That's what I thought but needed clarification on it.

May 23, 2007 12:59 PM
Lucia Brooks
Member Since '03

Lucia Brooks said:

Did you just say I was an idiot!?!

Just kidding!

May 23, 2007 1:04 PM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

Rhonda asked: "Dumb question coming.. my website is www.rksellsbartow.com. I have people asking me if it is "sales" instead of "sells". Should I buy that one also and direct it to my main one?? I'm not real good at this stuff."

Not a dumb question at all! A domain costs $9/year. If I were in your position, I would buy the "sales" version and direct it to the "sells" version.

Our domain is ThompsonsRealty.com. Lots of people misspell "realty" as "reality". So we bought ThompsonsReality too.

Many companies purchase variations of their domain and direct them to their main site. Just look at Google. Try misspelling it as "Googel" and "Gogel" in your browser and see what happens.... Lots of typists transpose the first two letter of what they type, so Google even has "ogogle.com". I have not purchased htompsonsRealty.com. Once we get the kind of traffic Google does, I'll get that one.

(They also bought GoogleSucks.com -- just to keep someone else from buying it and putting up a web site with that domain...)

For the ultimate geeks out there, here is a list of all 520 domain names Google owns: http://www.pronetadvertising.com/articles/googles-growing-list-of-domains.html

Carol and Steve said: "I hope Point 2 has us covered here.  I'm sure they do!"

They do...

May 23, 2007 1:11 PM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

So, Phil, you are picking on me again?

May 23, 2007 1:14 PM
Phil Anderson
Member Since '04

Phil Anderson said:

No, Mary!  I was making sure you DIDN'T think I was picking on you.

You are the best.  You my favorite.  You my sunshine.

Oops, look at the time!   Gotta run.... and save my neck!

May 23, 2007 1:21 PM
Ronda Kaufman
Member Since '06

Ronda Kaufman said:

Thanks. I just purchased the "sales" version. I appreciate all you do for us.

May 23, 2007 1:25 PM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

Funny, just seeing if I could stir something more in the pot you guys had going there. Love it. :-)

May 23, 2007 1:26 PM
Lee Hurst
Member Since '06

Lee Hurst said:

Does anyone know if we can point a domain name(s) to our P2 neighborhood(s)?

May 23, 2007 2:23 PM
Harris  Home Team
Member Since '07

Harris Home Team said:

We own 4saleokc.com and forsaleokc.com to cover our bases the same way.  We have considered purchasing forsellokc.com and 4sellokc.com.  I resisted because I didn't think people would actually misspell it, but as it turns out, I was wrong.  I had to correct my office as they had it wrong on the office website.  

Now, on niche marketing.  Is it better to create an entirely new website for your niche or just built a redirected URL to a backpage on your current website.  For example, I am working on niching the condo market in OKC.  I bought the URL condos4saleokc.com for this purpose.  Will it make a difference from an SEO standpoint if I create an entirely new site or if I build it within my current site so I don't have to double enter everything.  I am considering building a luxury homes website and a personal site as well and the same question would apply.  

We touched on this on the message board but I don't remember if there a distinct advantage in doing it one way over another.  All I really care about is coming up first on google and yahoo on organic searches for real estate terms in Oklahoma City.  I haven't acheived that yet.  I am paying a ton of money for PPC, in the mean time.  

Marcia

May 23, 2007 2:30 PM
Harris  Home Team
Member Since '07

Harris Home Team said:

Lee:

I have villageok.com pointed to my neighborhood.  I don't know yet if I think there is any advantage to doing that.  I haven't started advertising it like I thought I would in that area, though.  

Marcia

May 23, 2007 2:31 PM
Lee Hurst
Member Since '06

Lee Hurst said:

Thanks Marcia,

I may point mine as well.

May 23, 2007 3:08 PM
Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

Marcia ... it probably doesn't make a difference from an SEO standpoint if condos4saleokc.com is 301 redirected or a stand alone ... with two exceptions.  Google places more weight on "aged" websites and on your website being the expert source.  

What I mean is --- If your main website URL is a couple of years old and has decent ranking, it may be better to host your condos4saleokc.com as a subpage and redirect to it.  On the condos4saleokc.com sub-page make sure you setup the associated keywords and have lots of related content about the area (e.g. landmarks, shopping, etc).  Google will be more likely to pick it up ... and, may also rank your main site better because it will view you as more of an expert source on the area.

In this instance, Google will show the path to the subpage on your website .... vice the condos4saleokc.com domain ... on it's search page.

If both are fairly new domains ... then you can create the two sites.  The downside of course is having to maintain two sites.  But, you can have one of the sites point to the other ... this could help with ranking for the other site.

May 23, 2007 3:53 PM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

"But, you can have one of the sites point to the other ... this could help with ranking for the other site."

I think you mean have one of the sites LINK to the other. Correct?

May 23, 2007 5:54 PM
Vance Remele
Member Since '04

Vance Remele said:

Thanks Jay

I just removed my redirects I had.

Vance

May 23, 2007 5:57 PM
Klaus Nicholson
Member Since '07

Klaus Nicholson said:

Thanks Jay, Vance, Nick, Marcia, Phil and Lucia you could never look like an idiot.  I'm going to sort this information.  May take some time because my thinking was more inclined to the link procedure.

May 23, 2007 6:48 PM
"Dee" Mayers
Member Since '07

"Dee" Mayers said:

Whew!!  So much to learn.  I've read everyones comments on the subject of domains (a pet peeve of mine) why, because I still cannot come up with a good name, that's why!!  Jay/Franny I have a few names can I run them by you in an e-mail?  I need help and please don't take that to mean that I'm loosing my mind because everytime I say that to my nephew he looks at me with a grin.

May 24, 2007 12:04 AM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

"Jay/Franny I have a few names can I run them by you in an e-mail?"

Sure, just click "contact me" anywhere on my site... http://www.thompsonsrealty.com

May 24, 2007 1:12 PM
Suzanne Stephens
Member Since '06

Suzanne Stephens said:

Marcia, you asked about having a separate web site for your luxury homes niche. Beyond SEO issues, I recommend a separate site for consistent branding. Luxury homes are especially important niche where image is everything. Your luxury homes site should visually "say" luxury homes from "cover to cover." Every square inch of the site should convey elegance and prestigious; this is NOT the site where you want to cut corners.

I have two redesign projects underway right now that are good examples of front-to-back, cover-to-cover branding targeting  luxury home audiences. Each is unfinished; once my clients have added their own content and deactivated all the irrelevant content pages, I'll go back in and add my design touch to all their page to make text formatting and colors consistent with the home page.  The first site targets upscale Westside LA homes while the second VERY unfinished site will target buyers/sellers of Oregon and Washington ranches and hunting properties. The second site has some screwy-looking stuff on the home page because I'm still working on setting up custom menus. Though unfinished, they will serve as good examples of luxury branding that targets very different luxury home audiences.

http://www.CoastalLA.com

http://steventarnovsky.point2agent.com/

May 24, 2007 3:05 PM
Nick Coleman
Member Since '06

Nick Coleman said:

Yep ... Link would be a better term. (Re: I think you mean have one of the sites LINK to the other. Correct?)

But, I'm such a fan of "Point" 2 sites ... guess it just slipped through 8^)

May 24, 2007 4:12 PM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

Suzanne, your "very unfinished" site with screwy stuff on it looks better than 99.9% of any other site out there!

May 24, 2007 6:25 PM
Suzanne Stephens
Member Since '06

Suzanne Stephens said:

Awwww.... thanks Jay! I really do want to do a site for you someday. With your rankings and SEO work, we could blow the roof off Phoenix!

May 24, 2007 6:28 PM
Liane Jamason
Member Since '07

Liane Jamason said:

Hmmm.  I own over 20 domains.  Some of them I bought just because I think they are great names and I hate to let them go.  Right now they are all 301 redirected to my main domain - so that is hurting me more than its helping me?  My thought was that if someone stumbled on to one of my other domains for whatever reason, it would bring them to my site.  Decisions, decisions.

May 26, 2007 11:50 AM
Karen Weger
Member Since '05

Karen Weger said:

How do we set up another Point 2 web site for specialty properties like you all are mentioning, Luxury, condos, etc..?

May 27, 2007 12:13 PM
Yalda Alawi
Member Since '05

Yalda Alawi said:

Liane

we are playing the same game - I own more domains than I can think of.  I do a 301 redirect (if you have them registered w/ godaddy you can select '301 re direct' when you 'forward' your domain).  I think Jay is saying you DONT get penalized if you do it that way.  Right Jay?

Suzanne - do you have a site where I can check out your services and fees? I may need to hire you. :)  And as for Jay - he is already blowing the socks off of Phoenix :)

May 28, 2007 12:11 AM
Farooq Mohamed
Member Since '06

Farooq Mohamed said:

Jay and Experts up there,

Thanks for posting and discussing about Domains, I too have a sincere enquiry about Alias Domains, What should be done with the alias domains? whether they should be given a 301 redirect, or Not?

Even Point2 uses these alias domains and all the Domains like Point2homes.com Point2agent.com gets redirected to the homes.point2.com and agent.point2.com, and they are Ranked and Indexed well in Google,

Presently I have not taken this step because of Point2 warning that it is not safe but it has not differentiated between these,

Thanks in advance

Farooq

http://www.MyBangaloreProperty.com

May 28, 2007 8:45 AM
Farooq Mohamed
Member Since '06

Farooq Mohamed said:

Karen,

Just Get your self New Standerd websites that point2 offers in point2agent.com and after registering them give them a unique Domain name dependning up on the property and start Building them and if you require the advanced feature just upgrade to professional membership for each site,

Farooq

May 28, 2007 9:00 AM
Beth Larsen
Member Since '05

Beth Larsen said:

Always a good topic for discussion, thanks Jay. I need to go review my domain setups.

Suzanne, beautiful work on both sites.

May 28, 2007 5:15 PM

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