I agree with you.  Here we put in all the hard work and someone decides they like what we have done and take it.  I have had somone copy the way I am doing things and it is annoying, although this is not illegal.  Good luck to you.

"back to your regularly scheduled programming"....  And on that note

please don't have a conniption Jay/Francy.  I hope you are sucessful in your endeavour.  How did you find thief?

Hey Jay

A friend of mine e mailed this link  yesterday and told me I was famous Victim.

look slike a Great Britain site since you are the true guru about copyright etc.

How did I make the Well Known Victim List number 6 in England!! and get my name? and can they do this?

and from what you are saying having my name there is ok??

http://britain.tv/wikipedia.php?title=Necrotizing_fasciitis

Vance

Oh

you just touch on something,

The person above me Claudia 26 years old had her arms and legs amputated to save her life, after having a baby, we were both in the same hospital,they had to move her to the trama center, the hospital were she got if from tried to treat her but could not.

The difference is that her Attorney filed a lawsuit agains the hospital within the past few months,maybe thats why the links don't go anywere

Ya think because its such a hot button they were removed?

Is there a way to remove my name Oh great Guru ! Webinator! ha ha

You do know your stuff Jay when it comes to the net..

vance

My 2 cents:

First of all, Jay, you have a gift for writing in a way that is clear, concise and easy to understand. Additionally, you are a bright person with a fabulous base of knowledge that you freely share with others.

Second, there have been many times that I have read something that you have penned, and I wish that I could have had that depth of knowledge and to have explained it in such a great way.

That being said, I HATE IT WHEN SOMEONE UPSETS YOU! Tell Franny to give you a massage because boiling blood pressure isn't good for you!

Finally, we have had quite a few examples of people who have not appropriately and accurately cited their sources.

Maybe P2 should offer a plagiarism training class.

Chill out and may the culprit get his/her just due for upsetting you!

Why they do it is probably to run google ad words....  There is money in that tactic.

Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery...  But it's just not pretty.

Someone put something about copyright laws on my Blog but nothing was on their but URLS to certain sites. Everything else I wrote myself on word and copied it to the Blog. So I copied my own words , not anyone else's. I was going to look up what the person was talking about, was that you? I did not take anyones HTML just urls to go to. That is not infringing on the copyright law.

Melissa~

Jay,

If you find that they are in this area (Portland, Oregon, metro), please let me know and Todd and I will visit them.  Vance has given me permission to make them an offer they can't refuse....

I think I corrected the site for all my friends, I thought it was someone else and emailed him but the poor guy got my grief for nothing. I will have to email him again and put his blog back on my blog.

It sure gets complicated around here.

Melissa~

Vance has given me permission to make them an offer they can't refuse....

Permissione Copyright -2007.  I Break-a You-a face-a LLC

Piazano: Philleone, You hava my-a permisione To mak-a  a deal-a,they can notta refuse-a.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX-VCAT1bSA

Melissa, you copied Wikipedia word for word and didn't attribute it to Wikipedia with an "according to Wikipedia" entree.  It's not there now because you removed it.  And yes, in answer to your question from your thread, if you copied a definition from Webster, you should technically begin with, "according to Webster."

"according to Vance ©."  What Milissa did is a no no.

Belinda

I don't know that your aware of it, but there is bug crawling on your photo,look over your left shoulder.. :)

Thank you, Don Vance.

That just doesn't sound right.... :)

As a Library Media Specialists and English major, plagiarism and citing the originator of an idea or work was a vital part of the curriculum that I studied.

Lots of people have no idea how to appropriately give credit to the author of a work. Lots of other people just don't care.

First off Jay how did you find out that you have been sploged?  I wouldn't know where to look.  

I had on of our listings borrowed put on another P2 members website as their feature listing.  I don't mind handshaking but that was a bit much.  I got a message from P2 that my listing was a duplicate - I hadn't checked my handshakes listings for a week or so and was I surprised when my listing was showing up twice (with two different brokerages)  I did email the other agent and told him I didn't give him permission to use my listing - handshake OK the other NO Way!  He had it off his site that night.  Then I emailed to thank him, cause I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know better or didn't understand handskake.  Happy ending

Jana

Vance that is Bee's Bee :)

Yes, thank you, Jana, it's my bee.  Having a bug crawling over my shoulder isn't too bad -- there are infinitely worse places!

Ok I did a no no, you guys really like to find fault, I guess I will have to go back and read all your blogs to make sure you did not refer and url and get the publishers permission. I had my site displayed on many responses lately and no one ask my permission. I am not going to tip toe on this site , just so you can all play righteous realtors. I know this site  is suppose to be friendly fire of ideas, I will from now on send it to my Professor and get it proofed, He's my old friend from Cornell Univ. and he will be glad to do it. He knows all the rules, so then you can check with him if my blogs are spontaneous and un abridged. That is not what blogs are suppose to be, they are suppose to be informative. I am sorry I am in a learning curve and I have found many petty patrons of this site. I will talk about my dog from now on. My dog is a Chihuahua , I have four of them. Mother , Father, and 2 children, Casey and Junior. Poco is the mother and is a very regal Chihuahua, she is 14 yrs old. I would love to talk all night about her , I love her. Little Tex is the father and he looks like Mr. Peanut ™

Melissa~

And by the way Sharron and Steve I DO care and I hope you were not implying I did not. That would be an awful thing to say without knowing me.

M~

Melissa,

I absolutely have not been following the specifics of this thread. I had no idea that anyone had been identified.

I was speaking in general terms regarding plagiarism.

One more thing, I have no idea why Melissa is taking responsibility for all of this mess. I never heard her name identified or proven.

I did mention that Melissa originally made a no no on one of her threads, in response to her post above.

Melissa, no one is trying to be the Righteous Realtor, here.  To me you seem at once defensive and antagonistic.  I could give a care if someone sues you for using their words with attribution.  I think all comments about it here and on your infamous "definition of blog" thread were meant to give you some information that could keep you out of hot water in general, as it was obvious that you didn't know.

Maybe if you backed off just a bit, you'd see that no one is attacking you.

Because Jay answered on my other blog and cut and pasted it on his remark. It was about what blogs are. Well I got scolded there also. I took the definition of blog I found on google and "oh no" cut and pasted it , now I took it off of my blog  so I don't get a fine " as Jay said" from NAR. That was my horrific mistake. And I did not say (even though it said in the definition) it was from Wikipedia. It was easier than spelling Wikipedia.

M~

Come on Belinda, are you making a jab by calling it "infamous" and not expect me to comment. You better look in the mirror.

Melissa~

Belinda you wrote earlier in my Upside Down House Blog

#1 copied my url without permission

#2 called me whiney (name calling is ok, whiney is not)

This was on the other infamous blog not the the above mentioned infamous blog.

Now Phil and Vance were tough also, but Belinda is a passive aggressive , left hook kinda jab.

Phil and Vance go right for the kisser.

:)

Melissa Nite all

Melissa I will make this brief. Belinda posted one of the best comments, fraught with compassion and understanding and intended to help you. (5 stars to you Belinda) I have read many of her post on this blog and knowing her from previous post, she is not a mean spirited person and her goal was to explain to you how you were coming across. She certainly was not being aggressive or even passive aggressive. I have seen her in both of those modes and her post didn't even approach the borderline.

Phil and Vance are more direct in their post and like myself don't try to pull any punches. They are also not mean spirited and their post were to convey a message.

In place of putting up a lot of defenses and whining, do what Belinda recommended and look inward. You have chosen to look at suggested help and feel that it is somehow designed to hurt v/s help.

No one on this blog is out to get you or do any of us feel we are Righteous Realtor's. If you are not happy here than perhaps the answer is self evident. Perhaps your frame of mind is causing you to be this way and you need a break. I really don't understand your responses to the post that have been made.

I have done my best to give you another opinion and hope you take it in a positive way. Sarcasm is my specialty and I have deliberately left it out of this post hoping to touch the more pleasant side of the inner you and get you to acknowledge that some of the things or ways you went about delivering your message may have been seen by the majority as being different than they were intended. That is the simple truth. The errors you made are ones we have all made. They threatened no life or limb and were things that actually could have caused a problem for you. The solutions were presented as that, solutions. You can go back and read Jay's position on copyright and see that he is passionate on the subject. His post was not scolding, it was information on what you can and can't do. Most of us learn from his post on area's that we are ignorant of or about.

This is a brief comment for me. Have a Happy 4th!

Ok we will end it on that note... I see this is a close family...

I like point 2 and it is a very good tool. I hope you all have a good holiday as you can see I am handing out cupcakes.

M~

Also the self evident part.... I don't think I need to find a new Blog Home because some of the neighbors have a different point of view, that is not what this blog site is about and I think if the regulars don't like a blog you have no  right to tell me to be quiet or leave. We all have the right to have our opinions and if you can give me your opinion without calling names or being petty then I will listen but I won't leave. Who decides what is right here? Are there Blog administrators ? I think here it is a referee but again that is what makes the world go round difference and having the right to defend my beliefs and points of view. Even if its not popular with the locals. If you read the last two blogs I wrote I was not asking for anything but reflection from other people.  I can't win this one and I am not trying.  I say if you dish it out you should be able to take it when it comes back in your face. Don't you think I have pie on my face too? I wish more outsiders would see this and enter the arena.

M~

I am taking a break from here though... It is exhausting

Thank you, Gary.  You are spot on.  And yes, Melissa, it IS exhausting.

P. S. - I'm not even sure I know what passive aggressive is.  If I do it, it must be a natural talent :)

Now Phil and Vance were tough also, but Belinda is a passive aggressive , left hook kinda jab.

Phil and Vance go right for the kisser.

Melissa, my last post to you was to answer your learning curve about how to do cash backs and or discounts, that you wanted to know about how they were done in detail from my site.

You did not even respond to it so maybe it was not important enough for you to learn after all, and I was trying to help you at best...

I bet you did not even read that post as in many other posting on this thread or your upside down thread, ,,you deleted a post of mine and posted on the thread that the reason you deleted it was I said that Blog was meritless.... When in fact what I posted was: some your postings at that time on your upside down thread WAS Meritless....I just wanted to clear that up....

You state Phil and I go right for the Kisser, explain at least to me what and how you come up with that statement? Phil can speak for himself.

I may not pass out hugs, I do cut through the chase.

You are defending yourself to people that are trying to help you, you have just stumble along the way as we all have at one time or another.

Belinda::

passive-aggressive personality disorder Unlike other psychotic disorders in which the person who suffers the most is the patient himself, in the passive-aggressive disorder it is the environment ...

Maybe you got stung by that Bee! cause your problem...:)

It IS exhausting!!!

Good grief Jay.  Look what you started!  It's all your fault.  If you wouldn't have written anything worthwhile for someone to steal, we wouldn't be reading this post and disagreements along with it.

HA HA HA!  OK, Jay now go delete your entire blog so you don't cause any more fights OK?

Gota love it when Becky speaks....or she gets out "the bat!"

It was the comment when you came on my blog anonymous. You responded later so I could identify who said it. I took the anonymous comment off. I have my blog set to only people who say who they are. Like call rejection.

It's the way it was said not the content, you yourself called it a rant. So I ranted back.

If any good came out of it yes I did learn something from everyone. Lance I read your whole comment and learned from you as well , if I did not thank you then belated thank you.

passive - aggressive is a Carl Jung subject - the person presents the response passively but the words are aggressive  and the sting is presented in a passive way but it still stings  --- so the Bee analogy still fits. It's nothing to do with psychotic, at least how I read Jung. They even say it is misunderstood.

I am not quoting Carl Jung I am just remembering some of the things I learned while I studied his book.

You can say things in a seemingly nice way and if you read the subtle wording you will see it was not given with the persons feelings in mind but a series of little jabs with nice and sometimes not so nice words. Men and Women fight this way sometimes.  The woman kindly says "oh you're a mama's boy" and the man get riled even though she said it in a nice way. She hit below the belt. No Woman should make fun of a mans mother. (or your in trouble LOL)

I see it in Real Estate all the time. When the Sellers agent is negotiating with the Buyers Agent. Sometimes it works well for the purpose.

Melissa~

Melissa~

The anonymous blogger said:

Copyright Laws said:

Things that are copied from other sites need to identified as copied material and permission to use is required. and went on to say unless I wanted a NAR fine. I copied a encyclopedia not a Realtors Contract. It was about Blogs not Real Estate so how would I get a NAR fine? Really that is a serious question and it was a serious accusation.

If it was not you they must have struck a nerve in you that was ready to blog explode ...so you got a good blog out of it.

I won't spell the Wikki word so I will call it Google.

Melissa~

I do believe you and apologize if I thought that because of your rant that came after it. I am very sorry. I will be the first to apologize if I am wrong. I am a fair person.

M~

Melissa - When I MEAN for my words to sting it will be obvious.  There will be nothing to read between the lines.  If you have paranoia about people being passive-aggressive toward you, take it up with your therapist and leave me out of it.  Nothing to read between the lines here...

Its not a big deal Belinda people do it all the time, I don't have a shrink either. It's a way people word things they are making a point with. No reading between the lines is needed in passive aggressive. It's just a form of getting a point across... Some people are better than others. The fact you said talk to my shrink , now that is passive aggressive speech. It was a quiet zinger. Maybe your just a good zinger...I like you better as Scarlett.

M~

It was meant to be a zinger - that's the difference.  None of my other posts were.

Many of you read my rant yesterday about my blog content being stolen. Well, I'm thrilled to report that

jeez

OK Belinda I'll try to figure out when it's a zinger and when it is not. I am now going to hand out red white and blue cupcakes at my party, open house.

I'll get a few zingers there too I bet. Actually I think Zingers are cupcakes.

M~

and who is that masked man?

This is Becky and I can do the same thing you just did too!  Big WHOOP!  

What's your point?

Well isn't that interesting Jay.  I figured it was someone else trying to seem like you.  On the other thread someone thought the Anon person was you.  Figured they were back again.

Bee, I never have a problem interpreting the intention of your posts or comments.  I have never known you to be mean or nasty, just always helpful.

Melissa, I have been reading your threads of late and find that sometimes your posts are confusing.  I just can't seem to understand what you're asking no matter how many times I read them.  The people here are always helpful, sometimes sarcastic, humorous, but always helpful.

It appears to me that you ask a question, an answer or suggestion is offered and if you don't like it, you take it personal.  Sometimes our community offers suggestions or points something out to save you some trouble, without being asked. Take it for what it is, help.  That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

Vance, the use of your name alarms me more because of the Privacy Act.  How did someone gain access to your medical records?  It's illegal here, without your permission, and probably in the UK, as well.  Hard to track but yet another form of illegal.

Some people only find happiness in martyrdom.

I was going to comment but it's not worth it anymore , pompous ? Now there is an adjective

M~

Jay: "I fight content theft and copyright violations of my material all the time."

Getting back to the thread topic (although I love a catfight!), I am constantly finding thieves who steal my content or graphics and some are so bold that they even run them off my bandwidth. Last year we had some fun with an agent who was stealing Debbie Ferrari’s rotating MLS graphic and still running it on her bandwidth. An agent posted it on her blog as Website Hijinks and showed the animated graphic I gave Debbie's husband to run in place of the graphic:

http://360digest.com/2006/08

Last week I came across a similar situation with someone using my animated MLS graphic and because they were still running it off my file library, I modified it and it ran for a week until someone told him about it. I added a jail cell in place of the home that usually shows in the graphic. It's not nice to screw with Jay or Gene's content!

http://www.view-mls-homes.com/Nav.aspx/Page=%2fPageManager%2fdefault.aspx%3fPageID%3d2038526

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are!

Quote attributed to Larry the Cable Guy

That is great, Gene!!!!

Jay-Did you get my response to your email?  It kept getting bounced back to me.  I wanted you to know that I did respond in agreement.

Melissa - tell us about your self.  From where to you hail originally?  Only child or oldest, middle, youngest child?  What other jobs did you have before you got into real estate?  Do you feel they provided skills that you use today?

please take my remarks off of your blog, I ask point2 to do it I am not sure they can. I have explained all that in earlier blogs that you missed because you were in this small world of each other.

I really want them off and for you all to not remark or use my name or refer to any blog I posted, or remark I made. I am apologizing to the public for such a display of bad behavior. I got involved and ended up doing what you do. I promise this won't happen again. I won't respond to remarks that are plane and simple just not ethical.

Please take the remarks off I won't sink to this level again so just drop it now

M

I think it is the heat...  "Can't we all just get along?" Rodney King

Jana