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Ron Nedd

10x return on search engine & lead generation advertising

By: Ron Nedd
Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:55 AM

Since 2004 I've been almost exclusively a buyer's agent and have obtained most of my leads and sales through the internet.  I've been using the internet marketing experience I obtained previously to set up a marketing machine and have averaged over a 10 times return on advertising dollars spent each year even with a month off in both 2005 and 2006 due to a dying parent.

The total I spent in 2004 was $4995.75 and I earned $55,474.50 in commissions from these leads or referrals from these leads (most of this was directly from the leads).  In 2005 I spent $7201.05 and earned $84,031 and in 2006 I spent $6970.99 and earned $74,008.75.  This did not include any sales that were generated from personal contact or referrals from family, friends or personal contact.  All but one of these sales were buyers.

So far this year I've spent $1219.82 and closed $18,655.00 with another sale set to close at the end of this month that will be $5900 bringing the total this year through the end of March to $24,555 which is about a 20 to 1 ratio for this year so far.  It wouldn't be accurate to try and use that short of a time period for an accurate ratio since some of these clients came to me as leads last year.

 But overall since I began this marketing setup the return has been over 10 to 1.

And this was using HomeGain exclusively up until April of 2006, then adding in Google in May 2006 and then switching over to only Google in January of 2007.  I have spreadsheets showing conversion rates, cost per lead, etc. that lets me track all of this.

I'm thinking about writing up the marketing method I'm using as an ebook and was curious if there is enough interest out there for me to spend the time doing so.  It would be something I would sell to other realtors that are interested so I'm curious if there is any interest out there and, if there is, how much potential buyers would consider this to be worth.

You can see from the above about how much money would have to be spent monthly on advertising (this would probably vary depending on the cost for your area) but there is time involved too.  The cost per lead has doubled in the last year but due to the long-term buildup of now 6000 prospects I email every month, the return has stayed in the same range.  I've set things up to do as much in an automated way as possible but there are some time-intensive tasks due to the fact that I try to personalize a lot of what I send out and do have to reply to clients.  So it will involve 10-12 hours a week of time to use this method.

I've also attempted to use some of the other, more expensive, lead programs and found out quickly that the ones I had attempted to try out were not what they presented themselves as being.

Let me know what you think.

 

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Robert Rogers
Member Since '07

Robert Rogers said:

Ron,

The name of the marketing company that you use is internet marketing experience?  Do they have a website?

Thanks,

Robert

March 3, 2007 9:23 AM
Ritu Desai
Member Since '04

Ritu Desai said:

Thanks for sharing. I would love to read your article can you email me if possible.

March 3, 2007 10:00 AM
Becky Troutt
Member Since '05

Becky Troutt said:

I'm interested in hearing more of how you accomplished the above.

March 3, 2007 10:50 AM
Carol and Steve Coldwell Banker Parker Realty
Member Since '05

Carol and Steve Coldwell Banker Parker Realty said:

Me too!

March 3, 2007 11:50 AM
Russell Volk
Member Since '06

Russell Volk said:

Same here.  Thanks.

March 3, 2007 12:13 PM
Daina De La Rosa
Member Since '07

Daina De La Rosa said:

I'm sure many of us would love to hear more.

Thanks for your input.

March 3, 2007 1:17 PM
Jairo Rodriguez
Member Since '05

Jairo Rodriguez said:

me tambien(too) thank you

March 3, 2007 2:11 PM
Todd Clark
Member Since '06

Todd Clark said:

Sounds like an interesting venture. I say go for it.

Todd

March 3, 2007 2:13 PM
Freda Hoskins, REALTOR®
Member Since '06

Freda Hoskins, REALTOR® said:

Hi Ron...

You've got my COMPLETE attention!!!  I would love to hear what you have learned.  Thank you : )

Freda Hoskins, Realtor®

McGOVERN REALTY

Sandpoint, Idaho

Website: http://www.idahomesnorth.com

Email: idahomesnorth@aol.com

March 3, 2007 2:15 PM
John Nyiszter, Realtor®
Member Since '06

John Nyiszter, Realtor® said:

Hi Ron

I would be very interested.

Thanks,

   John

March 3, 2007 3:05 PM
Melissa Baxter
Member Since '06

Melissa Baxter said:

I too am interested! This subject is something I'd like to hear/learn/read more about.

March 3, 2007 3:05 PM
Steven Burnett
Member Since '06

Steven Burnett said:

March 3, 2007 4:07 PM
Cal Griffin
Member Since '06

Cal Griffin said:

Sounds like you have a lot of us hooked.  Are you going to give us a little taste?

March 3, 2007 4:22 PM
Ron Nedd
Member Since '04

Ron Nedd said:

Wow!  Thanks for the replies so far.  A few things I'd like to check first before delving into this project.

1.  Do you all have IDX capabilities through your local MLS?  For those of you who don't know what IDX is, basically it's the ability to put a link on your site where your visitors can access your local MLS.

2.  Does your local MLS give you the ability to set up automated listing notifications?  In my local MLS I can enter a prospect's name, email address and then the criteria for what they want and the MLS system automatically searches each day for any new listings, back on the market listings or price changes that fit all the criteria and then emails those listings to the people?

3.  Does your local or state Realtor organization send out a regular (weekly or daily) info email with updates on what is happening with real estate in your area or state?

4.  Does your local MLS have statistics you can access that show at least on a monthly basis the number of listings, sales, avg. days on the market, price change from year to year, etc.?

These are all important to making this system workable.

If I do this ebook I'll probably charge about $50 for it due to the amount of money and time I've put in making this system workable and refining it.  Plus it will probably take me 50-100 hours to get it to a point where I'm satisfied with it.

To give you an idea of my writing style and what I put into just an article, you can go look at a series of articles I wrote recently and published in a few places on the Internet.  This was going to be one article and was going to be longer until I found out that I had to keep an article to under 1000 words.  I had to really limit the material as I could have written much more, but at least this will give you a feel for what I write.

If you click the link below you'll go to the page that shows all 6 articles in this series.  Unfortunately they show on the page in reverse order but I'm sure you'll figure out which is first, second, etc.

http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=Ron_Nedd

Let me know about the 4 points above and any feedback you have on the articles if you go to look at them.

Sincerely,

Ron

March 3, 2007 4:29 PM
Becky Troutt
Member Since '05

Becky Troutt said:

$50?  Never mind my request.  Just like the last post you deleted, there are way to many FREE sites and articles out there you can get the information from without paying someone $50 for the information!

March 4, 2007 6:28 AM
Tim and Susan Fennell
Member Since '06

Tim and Susan Fennell said:

At $50, I would imagine you can sell quite a few books to the novice internet marketer assuming you are able to target them.  After that market slows down you can probably sell a boat load more to this crowd at $5-$10.  For $50 I would expect to find something totally unique and verifiably workable.  I certainly wish you all the best in this endeavor!  I love that entrepreneural spirit... go for it!  (Oh, just my opinion of course, but I would drop ANY mention of Homegain from the marketing pitch... I actually stopped reading your post at that point the first time around but decided to give you the benefit of the doubt this time and read the entire post.  "Homegain" is a four-letter word to a lot of agents. LOL  I've never used them but have read enough horror stories to be leary.)

March 4, 2007 7:13 AM
Ron Tarvin
Member Since '04

Ron Tarvin said:

It's so funny to hear the responses to people being asked to pay for someone's work.

Now the question of whether marketing to this group is good or bad is another question for another time.  BUT...

If someone has something that is working and we want to get a look at it, then we should be willing to allow that person to put a price on it.  Some stuff is easy to give out and you can do it in a simple blog post or a message board thread.  Other information is much more in depth and detailed.  I mean, I can tell you how to get from here to there and give you the highlights on a forum or blog, but to really give you a step by step and draw a map and maybe use illustrations and pictures...that takes considerable more time and resources.

In another thread, Lonn offered his ebook for a price, and Gene offered his for free.  In my opinion, neither is wrong!  I don't mind giving tons of advice and help for free.  I have agents call me all the time and if I have the time to talk, I help them or if they email me or ask on this blog or on the message board,  but I can tell you that if I were going to sit down and take the time to create an instruction manual on what I know,  I would HOPE to be able to charge a nominal fee for my time and my effort.

I don't mind "paying" for education from a reputable source.  Do I go buy every SEO book out there on the internet?  No, because I don't trust the source.  But if Lonn or Gene or Jay were to offer that in an ebook, then, yeah, I might consider buying it if I saw VALUE in their offer.

As a whole, real estate agents want things handed to them...I've done it and sometimes never even realized I've done it.  But I also now realize the VALUE of getting GOOD, RELIABLE information and I'll pay for it if it brings VALUE to my business.

March 4, 2007 10:04 AM
Becky Troutt
Member Since '05

Becky Troutt said:

I agree with you that people's work is worth money.  However, there are so many places on the web that offer the same information for free.  

Why would someone pay for something they can get for free elsewhere?  That makes no sense to me!  I'm pretty sure he hasn't come up with any ideas that haven't already been thought off and written about.

The internet is full of free information for people!

March 4, 2007 10:22 AM
Tim and Susan Fennell
Member Since '06

Tim and Susan Fennell said:

Ron,

Who suggested that a price shouldn't be put on the work?  The man asked for opinions as to the value of the work he is considering:

"I'm thinking about writing up the marketing method I'm using as an ebook and was curious if there is enough interest out there for me to spend the time doing so.  It would be something I would sell to other realtors that are interested so I'm curious if there is any interest out there and, if there is, how much potential buyers would consider this to be worth."

He asked for opinions and he is getting the opinions.  I've bought numerous e-books and would consider buying the one he has described.  But, I wouldn't spend $50 for it.  I would, however, probably spend $10.  

I would also spend the $50 IF I were convinced that I would get enough "new" info from the book to warrant that price.  That is where the "marketing" comes into play. :-)

March 4, 2007 10:44 AM
Al Block
Member Since '04

Al Block said:

I'll pay $50--could take me days and weeks of research to figure out what Ron knows.  Not worth my time to not pay the $50.  I'm in.

March 4, 2007 2:31 PM
Ron Nedd
Member Since '04

Ron Nedd said:

Boy, it's been pretty interesting seeing the response on this one.  I find it interesting that some people refer to all the information available all over the place for free but before I mentioned anything about price they wanted to know how I did what I did.  What isn't being looked at is that if that info is available and you have the ability to access it for free or have already seen it, then why aren't you using it or having success with it if you are using it.  Because it takes work to figure out how to apply it fully and correctly to your individual situation - especially when this info is mostly general.

A lot of the information out there isn't already worked out specifically for what you are doing even though it is very good.  I have the Corey Rudl manuals, have read the Proctor information, and seen a lot of free articles on how easy it is to get high in the search engines, etc.  But I've also found that a lot of the 'free' article guys don't share all or at least enough to make it really usable until you buy something they sell.  And even after studying a lot of this information, I had to work out how to apply it to getting it to work for me as a realtor.

If someone wants to read through all these articles and figure out exactly what to do so that it will bring in enough leads and then how to turn them into sales I don't have any problem with that.  But I can say that it takes more than just the general information out there to make this happen.  The general information out there is the backbone of what I do, but I also figured out a lot more specifically how to make it work.  

Unfortunately some of you have the same opinion that I see in our potential client base.  "Why should I pay a realtor to sell my house when I can figure it out myself and save $14,000?" or "Why can't I just do one of those for sale by owner companies and save the commission?" or "I don't need a realtor to find a house for me and if I don't have a realtor that has to be paid a commission then I can probably get the seller to lower their price."

Have you ever complained about the cut-rate brokerages that have made it harder for you to get the level of commission you used to?  How do you feel about them presenting the idea to the general public that they shouldn't have to pay you what you are worth because they can get the "same thing" elsewhere for so much less?

Look, I don't have a problem with someone who wants to make sure they'd get their money's worth out of something they purchase just like I don't have a problem with a new client wanting to make sure that they feel I am qualified and will serve their needs.  So I can definitely understand someone wanting to check me out to see if I know my stuff.

But to immediately have a problem with having to pay for me to share a whole system that I've put a lot of time and money into figuring out and getting to work - come on guys.

Tim and Susan - this info would be for anyone that would be willing to make the commitment to the time and money that isn't getting a 5-10x return on their current advertising.  And I realize a lot of people out there don't like HomeGain, but I think it would probably let people know that if I can get these kind of results with HomeGain that maybe there is something more to know.

Ron T - I appreciate your comments and the professional and logical way in which you view your business.

Al - you hit the nail on the head.

For you guys, even if I don't mass market this I'd like to keep you on a list to let you know when I do get it done.

March 4, 2007 5:31 PM
Carol and Steve Coldwell Banker Parker Realty
Member Since '05

Carol and Steve Coldwell Banker Parker Realty said:

Ron,

I'm still interested.  Let me know when it's finished.

Carol

March 6, 2007 8:02 PM

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