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What is CSS? If you're serious about your SEO efforts, you need to read this.

By: Russell Volk
Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:52 PM

Hello everybody,

for a long time, I've been trying to figure out how to reduce my home page size, include lots of content and keywords and still make it look appealing to visitors.  I had no success, until I started reading more about CSS.

What is CSS you ask?  Well, CSS stands for Cascading Styling Sheets.  The whole purpose of using CSS is to separate your content from your design.  In simple terms, your content is placed on your page, where your feel and look of the page and it's elements is placed in a separate file.  So instead of one big file that has everything, you would have two separate files.

So what are the benefits?  Well, by removing all the formatting from your HTML page, you actually reduce the size of your file.  I created a sample HTML page with CSS integrated and it has pretty much similar content as my current home page.  My current page is http://www.ephiladelphiarealestate.com.  The test page is http://www.ephiladelphiarealestate.com/TestTemplate/page_1811674.html.  My home page is around 139K in size.  The new test page is around 47K in size.  That's a huge difference.  Google loves small pages.

It also makes it easier for search engines to read the contents of your page.  Instead of jumping over all the HTML formatting code, the search engine sees lots of clean code and content.

I also ran another test.  I decided to validate my HTML using w3c validator and the results were amazing.  My new test page had 43 errors.  My current home page had 467 errors.  What does that tell you?  If you separate your formatting into a separate file, your code becomes more managable and easier to maintain.

To read more on this topic, please visit this article that I found interesting: http://www.stonetemple.com/articles/css-and-seo.shtml

P2 templates are great, but they're not SEO friendly.  I would be extremely happy if there was a way to turn the template design completely off and apply my own CSS design.

Have fun everybody.

Your Bucks County real estate expert.

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Comments

Heather Chambers
Member Since '06

Heather Chambers said:

Thanks for that article Russell! I have been looking into CSS for awhile and for the life of me couldn't figure out how to put a CSS layout on a P2 site. Once I saw yours it encouraged me that it could be done so now I'm giving it another shot. I don't have time right now to read that entire article but definitely will later this evening, it looks very helpful. You've done a beautiful job on your website, keep up the good work!

Heather

http://www.RealtorHeather.com

March 21, 2007 2:18 PM
Russell Volk
Member Since '06

Russell Volk said:

Heather, perhaps this might help.

Your CSS file should be stored on a separate server.  Just pick any host you want and upload your CSS file there.  Your HTML code and content has to go into an Advance Content module.

Good luck.

March 21, 2007 2:24 PM
Mary Matero
Member Since '06

Mary Matero said:

I haven't read the article yet and don't understand everything, but I was amazed at how quickly your test page loaded.  I like the look of it, too.  

If you were not aware, you have your test page listed as a menu item on the "real" home page.  You might want to hide it for now.

March 21, 2007 2:42 PM
Russell Volk
Member Since '06

Russell Volk said:

Thanks for pointing out Mary.  I just looked at my Webmaster Tools and my test page was indexed yesterday.  I created the page about 2 weeks ago and it's already indexed in Google.  And it's not even in Supplemental index.  I'll turn 'No Index' and 'Hidden' options on.

Google loves clean pages.

I'm currently working on my MLS module and once that's done, I'll convert my whole site to CSS.  Not soon enough.

If any of the P2 staff is reading this, is there a way to completely turn the P2 template design off?  Even when I'm hiding different parts of my page, the source code still reveals some HTML at the top and bottom of the page that is not helpful to SEO.  If there's a way, I'm your customer for life.

Thanks in advance.

March 21, 2007 2:51 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

Russell, the quest never ends. What a great tip, I've got to look into this asap. How much for your new e book :)

March 21, 2007 2:52 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Russell:  

You should be able turn off or blow away built in Design Template Code and CSS and start your P2 site with a clean slate if you wish - if I understand what I was told by P2.

Have you asked support about this directly?

March 21, 2007 3:53 PM
Matthew Pellerin
Member Since '04

Matthew Pellerin said:

We have been using CSS for years.  I love it!

"The new test page is around 47K in size.  That's a huge difference.  Google loves small pages."  "Google loves clean pages."

Devil's advocate: If Google loves small, clean pages, why have you stuffed the @#&*$%& out of your home page with soooo many keywords? Aren't you worried about being penalized by the big SE's?

Just a friendly heads up, not trying to pick on you.

Matt Pellerin - PhoenixHomes.com

March 21, 2007 3:54 PM
Russell Volk
Member Since '06

Russell Volk said:

Lonn, I have not asked the support about removing the template completely.  I thought it wasn't possible..  I know I can hide different sections of the page, but to completely get rid off the template.  I'll ask.  When I go to my test page and view the source code, between the <body> tag and my first <h1>, there's like 30 lines of HTML code that's produced by the template, even though I've hidden all the sections I could hide.  I'll ask support.  Thanks for the head's up.

Matt, I have a similar list on my current home page and Google loves it for some reason.  I'm not stuffing keywords.  All I'm doing is listing the subdivisions in my county and when someone searches for 'homes for sale in <subdivision name>', I'm right there to greet them.  Currently, I get about 80 unique visitors a day, but like I said before, as soon as my MLS search is in place, I will completely redesign my web site.  It's not like I'm stuffing the same keyword all over the place, I'm just listing the subdivisions that I'm serving.  It works.

Howard, I was laughing when I was reading your reply.  No, I will not be working on no eBooks.  All this information is available for free online and all it takes is a little effort.  We, as real estate agents, spend enough money on advertising and other stuff, if I find something that might be valuable to the whole P2 community, I'll share.  I've done it before and I'll do it again.  Why charge for it when it's right there on 1st page of Google.  Thanks for warm comments though.

Thank you all for your feedback.

March 21, 2007 4:37 PM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

I don't believe there is a way to get rid of ALL of the template code. Some of the framework/structure of the template remains behind, even if you kill everything and start with a "blank" page.

There *may* be some templates that have less of this code than others. But I doubt you'll ever be able to get rid of all of it.

I'd *love* to see P2 move to primarily CSS based templates, particuarly to get away from all the HTML tables inherent in template structure. I suspect it would be a monumental coding task though.

March 21, 2007 5:05 PM
John (John B.)  Badalamenti
Member Since '04

John (John B.) Badalamenti said:

Russell:

This it the type of blog post that makes P2 RE-Liberatrion shine! This type of information and exchange amoung agents helps each of us do our jobs more efficiently and serve our clients better.

Thank you sharing this with us.

John B.

March 21, 2007 5:13 PM
Russell Volk
Member Since '06

Russell Volk said:

John, we're neighbors.  So if I find something that might help all of us, why not share?  We're all in real estate business.  That means, we need leads and in today's world, Internet is the number one producer of leads.

Like I said before, if I find something useful to this wonderful community, I'll share.  I think it will help all of us and the real estate industry in general.  I hate when people refer to real estate agent, "You're just like a car salesman".

By nature, I'm an honest person and I try to help other every way I can.  Doesn't matter if you're a potential client or competition.

March 21, 2007 5:19 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

Russell, this forum is really all about sharing with a community of fellow professionals.

For the best in SEO, you need to find Aaron Wall. SEO Book.com is a leading SEO blog by Aaron Wall covering the search space. It offers marketing tips, search analysis, and whatever random rants come to mind. ;)

http://www.seobook.com/

March 22, 2007 6:07 AM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

I'll second Howard's recommendation. Aaron's SEOBook has been in my blog reader for quite some time. Good stuff.

Matt Cutt's, an engineer working at Google also has an excellent SEO related blog. It tends to be written at a much more technical level than Aaron's, but provides unique insight into happenings at Google.

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/

March 22, 2007 3:40 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

The nice thing about Matt is that he is about as close as anyone can get to understanding Google and as Jay points out, Matt is very technical. It's why I laugh at the seo stuff being peddled all around, if it was that easy, everyone would be on page one but then page one would be about 1000 websites.

March 22, 2007 3:50 PM
Scott Simmons
Member Since '07

Scott Simmons said:

That is just so cool. CSS makes your site look clean and high tec. I am going to check into it more it is just so much better looking.

March 26, 2007 2:22 PM

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