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Do You Want a "Sticky" Web Site or Do You Want New Clients?

By: Suzanne Stephens
Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:03 AM

Bruce Cole has begun a great conversation about Web site "stickiness" elsewhere on Reliberation. I would like to take exception to the notion that stickiness is important. The end goal of a Web site should be converting visitors to clients, not stickiness. Would you rather have a Web site visitor who spends an hour digging around in your Web site or would you rather have a visitor who is so taken by your home page that he or she simply calls you on the phone?

That's what happens when a Web site is so emotionally engaging that the visitor immediately realizes that this is THE Web site for that visitor. All that's required is one great Web page. Who needs "sticky" when one page will generate phone calls?

I encourage my prospective clients to take a workshop with "Mr. Internet(R)" Michael Russer because he helps his students figure out how to make a Web site emotionally engaging. The key is target or "niche" marketing: figuring out specifically who you are talking to -- which target audience -- and using a Web site to engage and interact with that target audience. The answer is different for every agent, because each has different interests and passions and because each geographic market is different.

Successful advertisers use target marketing techniques all the time, because they work. For REALTORS(R), the approach is actually rather simple: find a niche that you are interested in, knowledgeable about, and passionate about, then position yourself as a specialist in that niche.(Chances are it will be something that you are already heavily involved with.)

Here are some examples of how niche targeting works. To take the high tech mystery out of it, let's talk about simple classified newspaper ads instead of Web sites. First, stop thinking like a real estate agent and put yourself in the prospective client's shoes:

Next, imagine yourself as a "horse person" looking to buy an equestrian property in Kentucky. You look in the Louisville newspaper's classified ads and see two small ads:

Ad #1:

"Louisville's Top REALTOR(R)". I sold $10 billion last year and can help you find your dream home."

Ad #2:

"REALTOR(R) Specializing in Equestrian Properties. 2005 Kentucky Show Jumping Champion."

Or imagine you are a golfer looking for property in Pinehurst, NC and you see these two ads:

Ad #1:

"Pinehurst's Top REALTOR(R)". I sold $10 billion last year. I can help you find your dream home."

 Ad #2:

"Pinehurst's Golf Course Homes Expert. Call to receive your in-depth video guide to Pinehurst area golf course homes with interviews with Pinehurst's top golf pros."

If you are a golfer, who are you going to call? If you have horses, who are you going to call? In either case, the decision is a no-brainer, isn't it? The problem with each of the first ads is that neither addresses any target audience and, as a result, chances are that neither ad will result in many calls. Instead of focusing on the prospective client's interest, each focuses on the REALTOR(R). And frankly, Miss Scarlett, who cares about the REALTOR(R)? Prospective buyers and sellers aren't buying real estate agents! They are buying or selling homes, so to engage their interest, you've got to convince them that you are the most qualified to meet their specific needs.

Why don't more REALTORS(R) do target marketing? First, because many are simply not aware of it or of its potential power. Second, because many are afraid that by addressing one specific audience, they will miss out on all those elusive "other" people. Or as Linda Jeffersion of GoArmyHomes.com eloquently stated, "I was afraid that if I targeted the military, I would miss out on all those other clients I wasn't getting anyway." Since her targeted Web site completely turned around her business, Linda has gotten over her fears so well that she is now planning to change the name of her brokerage from Jefferson Bentley to Go Army Homes.

Linda's military focus is just one example of successful target marketing. The options are only as limited as your imagination. Another example is a broker who is opening a new office in Portland and whose BIC contracted with me for a new Point2Agent Web site. The broker and, until recently, just two other agents, focus on ranch and hunting properties. They operate in Hawaii, Washington, Oregon and North Dakota in association with Cabela's Trophy Properties. With only 3 agents, the brokerage has $80Mil in listings!!! I haven't finished the new site design for the Portland office, but you can get a sneak preview here:

http://steventarnovsky.point2agent.com/

Keep in mind that usually you can only address one target audience with one Web site. Trying to address more than one audience with one site will always dilute your message. When choosing a target audience, think narrow, not wide. "Baby boomers" are NOT a target audience! Atlanta Metro is NOT a target audience!

I feel so strongly about the benefits of target marketing that I offer a sign-up form that allows real estate agents a discount price for Michael Russer's great "Clicks to Closes" 10 week teleconference. Visit my Web site to contact me if you would like me to email it to you:

 www.SuzStephens.com/contact.shtml

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Comments

Jay Rogers, ABR, C-CREC, ePRO
Member Since '07

Jay Rogers, ABR, C-CREC, ePRO said:

I want more clients, of course!

Before I contact you about a redesign or improvement for any of my web sites, I must say I really liked your Extreme Makeover of GoArmyHomes.com, and I am leaning in that direction because it has such a clean look about it - would you call it minimalist or what?

Also do you know of a Free Online Web Site Analyzer that will take a look at the front page and report back about bad links, lack or headlines, keywords not in the body of the front page text, proper % of of keyword repetition, etc. I think that there has to be a good one out there, but haven't found it yet. Heck I would even pay a few bucks!

Thanks,

May 31, 2007 10:57 AM
Sharron and Steve Lobman
Member Since '06

Sharron and Steve Lobman said:

Suzanne,

Thanks for your excellent post. It certainly is "food for thought."

Especially when you consider that so many of us spend  countless hours working on our site, we certainly are looking for great results.

Thanks,

Sharron

http://www.SharronAndSteve.com

May 31, 2007 11:29 AM
Suzanne Stephens
Member Since '06

Suzanne Stephens said:

Jay, thank you! I'm sorry I don't know of an analyzer to help you.

Sharron, you're welcome. I want you to have great results and I'm always thrilled to read about people like you who spend so much time on your sites. I sometimes feel really discouraged when I get emails from prospective clients who start out by saying, "I have a Point2Agent site at ________ but I haven't done anything with it."

May 31, 2007 11:37 AM
Anson Simque
Member Since '06

Anson Simque said:

Great post, lots of good information. Thank you.

May 31, 2007 11:53 AM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

Suzanne, actually I want both, clients and sticky site, however hold the sticky clients.

Joking aside, thanks for the post.

May 31, 2007 12:11 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

I want everything at a low cost. I thought Re-lib was banning commercials.

May 31, 2007 12:51 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Do you want the smartest frigging markteter that ever existed?

Give me a call!

May 31, 2007 12:52 PM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

Mike, You're just making trouble all of the place!  What got your knickers in a knot? LOL

May 31, 2007 2:16 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

What got my knickers in a knot is the misuse of this blog for shameless advertising. It is one thing to share our information regarding what works best in the industry, it is another thing to continuously beg for business,

May 31, 2007 2:26 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

I agree with Mike, provide the information and if people would like to learn more, they will seek you out without shameless self promotion.

Mike, are you really Les Stool? Did you notice a little resemblance?

May 31, 2007 2:37 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

I am not Les Stool, but I understand how her good looks could be mistaken for rme.

May 31, 2007 3:02 PM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

Huh. I don't really see much commercialism or shameless self-promotion in this post. Seems to me Suzanne presents a pretty good case for targeting your web site. Offering a way to get a discount from one of the top consultants in the biz doesn't really strike me as self-promotion. There's a LOT of very useful info here.

It's certainly not as "over the top" and "in your face" as a lot of stuff I've seen here.

But that's just me.

May 31, 2007 4:13 PM
Suzanne Stephens
Member Since '06

Suzanne Stephens said:

Mike, if you and Howard really "got" what I was writing about, you would realize that I'm promoting Michael Russer's 10 Week Clicks to Closes teleconference rather than my own services. There's nothing in promoting Michael's services for me except the possibility of working with more clients who've adapted his marketing techniques. My post was actually a Reader's Digest Condensed version of the first two weeks of Michael's class. So try reading a little closer, you might learn something -- for free!

May 31, 2007 4:27 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Every time you've posted here you have promoted your services. But, if no one minds, have at it. The problem is that I DO read close.

May 31, 2007 5:38 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

I see where Russer is an agent alliance partner on P2, but i don't see your name. How, exactly, are you associated with Russer and P2?

May 31, 2007 6:22 PM
Suzanne Stephens
Member Since '06

Suzanne Stephens said:

I'm not associated with Russer at all other than that we are mutual admirers of each other's work. I especially like working with his students because they really have their marketing act together, so he gives my prospective clients (or anyone who asks me for the form) a discounted price on his workshop.

I am a Point2Agent Design Partner, listed in the Vendor Directory.

May 31, 2007 6:33 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Why do you post that logo rather than a photo like everyone else? Why does your wesite link go directly to an advertisment of Russer?

May 31, 2007 7:10 PM
Suzanne Stephens
Member Since '06

Suzanne Stephens said:

In some 12 years of designing Web sites, I've never posted my own photo online anywhere. I don't want anyone to know that I have three eyes.  

My own Web site is niche targeted toward Russer-graduates and I use his photo on it with his cheerful blessing.

May 31, 2007 7:57 PM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

Mike - I agree with Jay. I think Suzanne has been very helpful and I have not seen commercialism or shameless self-promotion. She has chimed in on other threads with some good information. I see her post as a service and the price is right. I considered using her services because she was helpful and not commercial. I guess we all view things different. IMO.

May 31, 2007 8:26 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Okay. I just don't think it is fair to chastise some for advertising to agents here and to excuse others.

I would think P2 would question her logo being displayed each time with their stamp of approval on it, especially in light of the warning posted in red regarding commercialism on this blog.

When someone else comes in here promoting to agents some service that benefits them, directly or indirectly, I expect a warm reception from all.

I am changing my logo to read:

Mike's Signs, Magnets and Tax Services.

Related blogs will follow.

May 31, 2007 9:14 PM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

You do have a valid point on the Logo. Her comments would be just as valid absent it. Suzanne put the three eyed photo up, or drop the logo with the ad, since policy is policy and I don't want this to become an ad blog. Although I could use a new source for magnets.

May 31, 2007 10:33 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

Yes, Gary, I have no problem with the posts and comments, but the advertised association with P2 and the not so subtle promotion of Mr. Internet raised a red flag for me.

Gore may sue Russer for that title being used.

June 1, 2007 7:40 AM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

Curious, do others see this post a "commercial" and/or blatant promotion??

https://www.reliberation.com/blogs/myrealcoach/archive/2007/06/01/proud-to-be-a-realtor-r-any-flavor.aspx

June 1, 2007 8:29 AM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

I am completely open to the possibility I may be wrong. It's highly unlikely, since I am almost always right, but there is the possibility, and if I am wrong, I will sign up with Suzanne to design a website for my new business adventure in conjunction with Roscoe McFarland, commonly known here as Mr. Tax. Roscoe specializes in real estate agent tax "reduction" and while not yet an approved P2 vendor is trying to set up a meeting with BK at his office, the corner table at Tubby's Tank House in Thunderbolt. He's the one with Redman cap and the green shades. :)

Actually, if it is okay with P2, it's okay with me. I just think we need to be careful of appearance if we are to keep this place focused and fair. I am sure there is nothing intentional going on. I apologize for my earlier strong accusations -- I have calmed down.

June 1, 2007 8:57 AM
Jackie Hawley
Member Since '05

Jackie Hawley said:

Jay- Yes.

As far as Suzanne- I appreciate the info she posts BUT there are too many references to sites she's worked on including the URL's for those sites and an awful lot of endorsements posted by her clients. Too many endorsements posted by her clients to sound kosher or not orchestrated.

Suzanne- I don't want you to quit posting, but if you could back off the self-promotion (intential or not) a bit, that would be "a good thing."

June 1, 2007 10:00 AM
Suzanne Stephens
Member Since '06

Suzanne Stephens said:

Mike, I'm SO sorry. I should've thought to give you the key to the handcuffs that have you chained to my posts and forced to read them. If you'll send me your snail mail address, I'll FedEx that key to you right away!!! I truly apologize for not having sent it to you sooner; it just slipped my mind. I'm not comfortable in the Dominatrix role anyway -:)

June 1, 2007 12:04 PM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

Suzanne, I thought your "target market" information was very thoughtful and useful and didn't mind the plug.

As far as shameless plugs, commercialism, whatever you want to call them, it would appear to me that they're tolerated more from some (regulars) than others (sporadic contributors or lurkers).  Probably because the "some" tend dispense for free more information in their area of expertise than the "others".

For example, Lonn's recent post does not seem like advertising to me because of his "7 Days" posts, which I have read and re-read, just because I learn something new every time I pick it up.  Now, I know that Lonn will, eventually and hopefully, earn some money from this by testimonials from those of us who have benefitted from it.  I will gladly give that testimonial because those posts have helped me, a previously "remedial" internet student at best, begin to maximize my on-line presence.  I've even become somewhat of an SEO "authority" (by no means an expert) in my office because I know more about it than anyone else, courtesy of this blog.  I hope Lonn earns a fortune from it!

Long story even longer...I don't like postings about our latest listings.  

June 1, 2007 12:27 PM
Mike Farmer
Member Since '03

Mike Farmer said:

When you respond to me in the future, Suzanne, please address me as I known in the industry, Mr. Real Estate. :)

I am a willing captive of your posts. The handcuffs are a mere symbol of my devotion.

Yours Truly,

Mr. Real Estate

June 1, 2007 12:59 PM

Guest

Mr Sticky said:

I read these blogs from time to time because of the good information that is usually presented.  I thought I would weigh in on the issue of "Do You Want a "Sticky" Web Site or Do You Want New Clients"?

This is an excellent question.  However the explanation is rather weak and self serving.  I will do my best to explain it here.  So please excuse my use of very basic terms which I am am sure most of you already know.

When designing a website you want to give the viewer a really great expereince.  You want them to be moved to some type of positive emotion, if your objective is a positive emotion.  Certainly buying a  house should be one of those positive emotions. (grin)!

But generating a positive emotion is not enough. You must do more.  

A badly designed site will run off clients.  What kind of impression does a badly designed give?  Depends on how badly it is designed.  But research shows that badly designed sites are unprofessional looking.  Who wants to buy real estate from someone who is not professional?  

Sites with poor navaigation will run clients off as well.  If a client can not find what they are looking for then they will go else where.  People want to be able to find what they are looking for quickly and easily.  

Sites with no sticky will run people off as well.  If you do not have something to keep them at your site then why should they stick around?  They will not.  People understimate how important sticky is.  It is key to keeping people at your site as long as you can.

You can have the most beautiful site on the internet.    Your site could have been designed by Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci (work with me here I know he is dead) but if there is no reason to stay (sticky) they are gone.  Why do you think the best developers and web designers shout so loud about sticky?  CAUSE IT WORKS.  Research has proven this time and time again.

Niche marketing does work.  At least for most industries.  Despite what some real estate guru is telling you, it is not just a beautiful site that sells your homes and services.

Anyone in sales will tell you sales it is a numbers game.  But every great salesperson knows two things about ever prospect.

1.  The prospect must believe in you and not just what you are selling.

    People buy because they believe in you and trust you.

2. Keep in mind that price is never an issue — what’s important is the  

   value behind the price.

case in point: Price is an arbitrary figure that merely represents the value of an offering. Here’s an example: you walk to your local home furnishings store. You ask the sales clerk, “How much for that washer?” to which he responds, “$600.” “Wow! That’s a lot of money,” you exclaim. “The price is way too high for me. I just cannot afford that.”

This is a typical knee-jerk response.

Moments later, you walk by a car dealership and notice that favorite new car you’ve been itching to buy for the last month and a half. You walk in. “It’s $25,000,” says the salesperson. “Wow! That’s great!”

You drive it off the lot that same day.

If you could not afford the $600 washer, why could you afford the $25,000 car? So, price is never an issue. In the case of the car, the perceived value matched or surpassed the price, which wasn’t the case with the washer — i.e., the washer was too pricey based on its perceived value.

Therefore, if your value is perceived as equal to that of others, naturally the cheapest alternative will win. Price is only a metric — a currency to which most people can relate.

case in point end:  ok look back over here

How does all this work for your website.  Let me tie a nice bow around this.

1.  Have your site designed by a web designer and you stick to selling

2.  Put some of your digital DNA in your site.  Let it reflect your

   personality and goals.  It is ok for clients to see you are human.

3.  Do not make your clients register to use or search your sites.

4.  Do offer your clients free email updates on homes they might be    

    interested in or current market trends, drops in prime rate etc etc.  

    Weekly news letters still work very well.

5.  Add lots of sticky but keep it professional.  

6.  Tell people about you. They want to know who you are.  

People will not pick up the phone and call you just because your homepage is so darn pretty and designed by Leo.  But they will pick up the phone and call you because they have an idea who you are.  They will pick up the phone and call you because they see you have lots of houses to look at and do not have to register to look at them.  They will call because you have neighborhood info or staging info for them. etc etc etc

They will call if you give them a reason to stay at your site.  Sticky does this.  They feel like they know you when they hang out with the digital you at your very profeisonally designed site.  The site with all the sticky.

Think about the sites you like to visit and why you visit them.  Do they really reflect an emotion?  Do you use that site often because you can navigate it easily and find what you need  Do you keeping going back and hanging out because of the sticky?

Please keep in mind here we are talking sticky and why people buy from you.  There are many facets to this internet and website thingy.  Do your homework and talk to a professional designer.  You folks are all very lucky to have such a hearty and robust platform like like P2.

Good luck to you all and I hope you all sell lots and lots of homes.  I may or may not return.

June 1, 2007 5:18 PM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

I hope you do return Mr. Sticky! Lots of sage advice in that comment...

June 2, 2007 10:23 AM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Jay:

If you have a problem with my posts, I wish you would take it up with me, and not just throw rocks in public.

The post you ask about - "Is it blatant self promotion?" is not selling anything of my own.  I am merely sharing about an inspiring book.  The book happens to have a page in it about me, but I am not selling anything.  

So how could that be blatant self promotion?  

June 13, 2007 8:47 PM
Lonn Dugan
Member Since '05

Lonn Dugan said:

Bless you Cathy!  Thank you for kind words, and glad to hear my eBook has been so helpful!

June 14, 2007 7:28 AM

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