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Contingencies are here to stay

By: Shelly Constantz
Monday, August 27, 2007 2:52 PM

Like 'em, Love 'em or Hate 'em, we will continue to see contingent contracts.  I am talking about contingent upon a buyers home selling.  In this market, I see two sides to this coin.  1) nope, don't want them, can't expect the other home to sell;   and 2) at least it is a bite, take it and see what happens.

If you are writing a contingent offer for a buyer a few things to keep in mind:

1) Put in a close date, no use of TBD.  And use a date as far out as the seller will allow. Be aware of the date and do not let it expire on your client. Once dates on the FRR addendum have expired, the contract is dead. All extensions must be made prior to the expirations.

2) When writing the First Right of Refusal (FRR), be a saavy buyers agent and specify that the 72 or 48 hours do not apply to holidays and weekends, this will allow the buyer time to get financing or a bridge loan if they desire to move forward.  Hard to scramble on the weekend!!

3)Talk to your buyer upfront about the possibility of using a bridge loan, IRA's, Stocks, etc IF it becomes necessary.  That way if the FRR is called, they will be further down the path.

4) Be careful how you write the addendum.  An example: A FRR offer to be removed with evidence of a copy of the HUD and settlement of the buyers home.   The FRR is called and buyers have not sold thier home, but could purchase the home with special financing.  But because the addendum stated it had to be a HUD, sellers chose to sell to the second offer and could.  Always write what you mean:  In this case it could have been "Proof of sale and settlement of buyers home (HUD) OR proof of funds or alternative financing allowing buyer to close within 30 days". 

5)  Be aware that any offer after the one with the FRR only has to be acceptable to the sellers to be able to call the FRR. Terms do not have to be the same, and can even be a lower price!!

6) Some ways to entice a seller to hold out and accept an extension: have the buyer pay the sellers mortgage for the extension period, have a Non-Refundable EMD that graduates and gets larger as time passes, you could even request a large EMD upfront, and write that portions of it become non-refundable as time passes.

If you represent the seller here are some issues you may want to consider:

1) Get as many of the other contingencies (inspection, etc) removed as quickly as possible.  The buyers agent may not want their buyer coming out  of pocket, too bad.  Make it part of the contract that they will be done and over within a reasonable timeframe (10 days?)

2) Do not call the FRR until you have come to a meeting of the minds with the buyer and seller of the second contract.  Write the contract "subject to the current buyer of 123 Main Street not being able to remove their contingency with-in 48 (72) hours.

3) When entertaining a contingent contract, ask the agent to show you that the home in question is currently listed, request the comps, review the listing yourself to see that it is being marketed, ask for the marketing plan, including if they have scheduled price reductions and offering any assistance, you may even request to preview to see if it is a saleable listing.  Ask if the buyer has enough equity in their home if they need to reduce the price to get it sold. 

4) Ask for a non-refundable EMD.

These are just some of my suggestions and thoughts, but with the bright minds here, I'm sure you have run into other situations.  Do you mind sharing?

thanks, shelly

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Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Yes. If Seller's agent:

3a. Negotiate authorization and release of info from Buyer's sale agent and escrow officer so you can stay in the loop on their deal too.

I'm sure I will have more when the coffee kicks in.

GRRRRREAT post Shelly! Your job security as BIC is assured.

August 27, 2007 11:23 AM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

I know I am preaching to the choir here, but I had a deal with an REO that would not take contingencies at all. So buyers agent lied to me to get the contract in. We are closing this week but I am on to him. Scoundrels out there!!

August 27, 2007 11:24 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Well Mary, if they don't have any contingencies, they bought themself a house or their broker did . . . rat bastds!  LOL

August 27, 2007 11:31 AM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

Also, when dealing with Kickouts and FRRs, make sure there are clear and written understandings of how to provide notice.  Shelz brings up a good point with holidays but make sure that all notice requirements are in writing because the timelines can get a little short.

August 27, 2007 11:37 AM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

Very well written post. In softer markets this is much more common and acceptable and the information you provided will help stop problems from happening.

August 27, 2007 11:56 AM
Vanessa Stalets
Member Since '07

Vanessa Stalets said:

Thanks for the tips and reminders here! As the market softens, like Gary said, this is coming back and can get very convoluted if things are not crystal clear from jump!

August 27, 2007 12:00 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

Shelly, you are so helpful, no wonder you are the BIC! A clearly written contract and noting the dates is the best path to a smooth closing.

August 27, 2007 12:26 PM
Jay & Francy Thompson  REALTORS®
Member Since '05

Jay & Francy Thompson REALTORS® said:

*Outstanding* post!  Great refresher for newbie and oldie and everything in betweenie.

Two years ago inour market, contingent contracts were laughed at. Not-so-much these days. It's important that BOTH sides *fully* understsand the situation, and where they stand.

August 27, 2007 12:31 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Exactly Jay.  That is why I made the post.  My sellers will entertain them now.  Anyone else have anything else to add that should be addressed?  

thanks candice for pointing out the negotiation and release of information.  It is in our standard purchase agreement already that the buyer authorizes buyers and sellers agent to contact lender for information.

Shelly

August 27, 2007 12:53 PM
Tim and Susan Fennell
Member Since '06

Tim and Susan Fennell said:

I've got nothing to add.  Great points and timely!

August 27, 2007 1:28 PM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

Radz said: "make sure there are clear and written understandings of how to provide notice.  Shelz brings up a good point with holidays but make sure that all notice requirements are in writing because the timelines can get a little short."  Absolutely and also include addresses for notification and method of delivery, signature acknowledging receipt required.

Also, if not already listed, "Buyer's home must be listed in MLS within 24 hours at fair market value as agreed to by Seller's Agent based on reasonable sold comparisons within previous 6 months".  

If the Buyer's house is listed, but overpriced, no go.  

Tends to give a gut reality check to BA and Buyer.

Excellent information!

August 27, 2007 1:32 PM
Craig Barrett
Member Since '07

Craig Barrett said:

Hi Shelly, Excellent post and very timely! All very good points. I've had listing agents and sellers concerned with how the status appeared in the MLS. Understandably, the seller doesn't want to take the property "off the market" and lose valuable selling and marketing time while the buyer sells their current home.

I've used language in an addendum to overcome the seller's obstacle that said something along the lines of the status in the MLS may remain "active" with disclosure of the FRR or kickout in the agent remarks of the MLS. This gives the seller and the listing agent the opportunity to continue to market the property.

August 27, 2007 1:39 PM
Jana Davis & Virginia Houghton
Member Since '05

Jana Davis & Virginia Houghton said:

Thank you Shelly!  Sellers should not be turning down these offers.  I hadn't thought of asking the buyer to pay the mortgage.  Usually give the seller some incentive with the price.  We will think on that one.

Jana

August 27, 2007 1:44 PM
Craig Barrett
Member Since '07

Craig Barrett said:

I meant to say the full opportunity. The opportunity already exists via the terms of the contract. However, the additional language should put the seller's mind at ease of any "lost" marketing time.

August 27, 2007 1:54 PM
Rod Rebello
Member Since '07

Rod Rebello said:

Great post Shelly.  Just went though a contingent deal myself as buyer agent, and I think all the bases have been covered here that I dealt with.

August 27, 2007 1:55 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Good points guys.  Craig, you are right.  My current MLS will allow the status to stay ACTIVE with the contingency listed in a field below.  My old MLS required that the property be listed as cotingent (not active) with the type of contingency noted in the field below.  check to see what your MLS rules are, and then comply!!!

Shelly

August 27, 2007 1:56 PM
Cathy  Clark
Member Since '06

Cathy Clark said:

Mine says "pending w/contingencies".  They always come up on the hotsheet.  I include them, but am less likely to if there are plenty of Active's in the mix.

August 27, 2007 2:10 PM
Belinda Walker
Member Since '06

Belinda Walker said:

In the Seattle/NWMLS the forms for contingencies and "bump notices" are pre-printed.  We only fill in the names, basically.  This prevents lapses on the part of the agents and pleading of ignorance by either party.  The time frames are given along with a blank line if you negotiate a different time line.

All of this makes for less paper work, less hand written addenda and happy agents and clients.

You are right Shelly, they contingencies are going to be a part of our lives, we might as well do our best to take them in the stride of our normal course of business.  Now, if we could only get our clients to put their house on the market BEFORE they make a contingent offer on a home. :)

August 27, 2007 2:57 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

LOL BEE!!!  Putting the cart before the horse?  I don't know why, but of course they do it.

shelly

August 27, 2007 2:59 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

Instead of Contingencies, can also structure a "deferred" closing to give the Buyer few more months to get organized but great points above about satisfying all the inspections sooner than later.  If Buyer throws down enough EM (NR), can usually get that agreed to.

Nice post Shellz !!

August 27, 2007 3:28 PM
Joe Leksich
Member Since '06

Joe Leksich said:

Question??  

Why would you not want to put TBD in the closing date section?  I do not do this but just wondered why you would not want to..

I always put "to be within 30 days of release of contingency"

August 27, 2007 3:41 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

Personally, I love the use of TBD...... it means we can all do what we want !!!  The Sellers though, often like a little more structure.  Contingency Buyers are like last in line.  They ain't "READY"

August 27, 2007 4:43 PM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

Our MLS has an active contingent field. So if we accept a kick clause it has to be put in as active contingent. This does have an effect on showings but the rulz are the rulz!

August 27, 2007 5:09 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

using TBD can mean you don't have a contract.  Must have dates or it isn't a fully executed contract.  Really. Ask your attorney.

shelly

August 27, 2007 5:09 PM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

I agree TBD is not worth anything. My reply to that is if it is to be determined, get busy determining so we can work on an agreement.

August 27, 2007 5:11 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

You know what, we might LOOK like attornies but we are not allowed to dish out any legal advice.  Gary looks like a Supreme Court Justice and Shellz has the hair for it but I would definately check with your legal counsel first.

CHEERS !

August 27, 2007 5:37 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Joe if you have 30 after release of contingency it's not 'really' TBD any more. I mean, there's a shelf life to the contingency period isn't there?

And Shelly/Bee, the reason they do that silly little pre-horse cart is:

They think their house will sell fast.

Why let a little thing like a buyer's market burst their bubble, now really?

LOL

August 27, 2007 5:38 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Not advising you... suggesting that you not use TBD and get burned.  I am only looking out for you, my friend, Radley!!

shelly

August 27, 2007 5:38 PM
Steven Burnett
Member Since '06

Steven Burnett said:

Good post, but what about "Continue To Market Addendums"

If I get an offer on a listing that's accepted by a seller with a "home to sell" contigency, I use a "Continue To Market Addendum" that says I will NOT take the home off market by adding a contigenct or FROR on the MLS.  

Most agents will not show a home that shows up as a contingency or a FROR on the MLS.   This is a way to avoid loosing a buyer suspect. :)

If we get an offer, then the FIRST buyer has 24 hours to remove THEIR contigency.

The home will show nothing

August 27, 2007 5:41 PM
Gary Szolosi
Member Since '03

Gary Szolosi said:

It doesn't take an attorney to know that if I have no end date on a contract it is worthless. It would be similar to a note for a loan saying to start payments is TBD. In my humble nonlegal opinion!

August 27, 2007 5:42 PM
Craig Barrett
Member Since '07

Craig Barrett said:

The TBD gives an indication of the buyers agent's ability to market the buyers property. TBD just tells me the buyers agent doesn't understand his/her market, absorption rate, etc...

August 27, 2007 5:46 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

TBD works on mortgages as well.  If we all used TBD, then things would be a little smoother !

By the way, where are all my amendments?  There was a pile of them around her somewhere?  I think Shellz stole them and is now fondling all of my amendments.

Gary, lock her up !

August 27, 2007 5:47 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

On serious note, there are lots of variables out there but the main thing is to nurture the transaction.  If people do not WANT to close, they will not close.

In the meantime, Shellz, I want all of my amendments back or I will turn you into Gary !

August 27, 2007 5:50 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

Shelz, the only time I will use tbd is for new construction when they don't have a clue as to when the house will be ready. But that doesn't have anything to do with your post about contingencies. And you are absolutely right, without a date, there is no contract. It seems to be ok to use with new construction however.

August 27, 2007 5:55 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

I'm sorry Rad, I was ruffling through my amendments and didn't hear you.

August 27, 2007 5:56 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

Is this a Legal Opinion Blog or a Realtor Blog?

Falcons go off in 3 minutes.... HURRY !

August 27, 2007 5:57 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Howard, I tend to use a close date to keep the builder on track.  Leaving it open with TBD, in my humble opinion, leaves it wide open for the builder to finish when they want and focus on another buyers house with a cotract date!!  Extensions can always be written, but I want everyone focusing on an end date.....  IMHO.

Shelly

August 27, 2007 6:01 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

Okay, I am going to even more confuse this post right now.

What determines a successful closing?

When do closing happen?

Do I have time for a beer run?

August 27, 2007 6:10 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

Lesson learned. I generally have stayed on top of the builder to get it finished sooner rather than later. These days, it's pretty easy when you have one of their few buyers.

August 27, 2007 6:41 PM
Mipeco Realty, Inc -  Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner
Member Since '03

Mipeco Realty, Inc - Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner said:

I would never use TBD ... that gives no boundaries for either party ... basically you are in a never ending vacuum hoping something will happen eventually. However, if we are flexible on the closing date, I sometimes put in a certain date "or sooner".

Shelly, what a great material you've posted! Would you mind if I used parts of it as our referrence material on hand that I'm putting together for our office?

I have yet to be representing a buyer who needs a home sale contingency or a seller who has to accept one ... I've been lucky so far ... but as we all know, there's always a "first" ... with our buyer's market, might happen sooner than I know.

August 27, 2007 7:01 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Micheala, once it is posted here, it belongs to the universe.  Please use it!!!  And make sure you get some of the other good tips that the others shared as well!!

Shelly

August 27, 2007 7:07 PM
Mipeco Realty, Inc -  Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner
Member Since '03

Mipeco Realty, Inc - Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner said:

Thanks Shelly! After all, you're the BIC, right? :-)

August 27, 2007 7:09 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

True enough Howard!!  I just had a builder tell me that he could have a brand new house out of the ground and ready to move in, in less than 90 days!!  Holy Cow.  He actually stated 72 days, i said how about 3 months, I'd like the property to actually be built not thrown together, LOL!!  But client decided to go with a resale.

Shelly

August 27, 2007 7:15 PM
Radley Reiff
Member Since '04

Radley Reiff said:

And?

August 27, 2007 7:58 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

And if it's a contingency contract, you DEFINITELY have time for a beer run!

August 27, 2007 8:13 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

And we close end of this month!!  thank you for asking.

shelly

August 27, 2007 8:44 PM
Sharron and Steve Lobman
Member Since '06

Sharron and Steve Lobman said:

Great post, Shelley and great contributions from everyone else.

Thre is nothing compared to an intelligent and knowledgable person who also possesses a great sense of humor.

August 28, 2007 1:06 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Sharron, thank you!!

Shelly

August 28, 2007 3:59 PM

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