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To Appraise or Not to Appraise...

By: Shelly Constantz
Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:51 PM

I just wanted to see how you feel about this.  I have a client that is purchasing a very nice, 3 story condo, one street back from the beach.  They are first time buyers and moving here from out of state.  We looked at everything, and this was the winner.  Priced right and they got a healthy closing cost assistance amount from the seller.  We get a call from the lender (they chose them) telling us they have the option to waive their appraisal.  I call the clients and explain to them, due to their great credit scores, and the sum they are putting down, their lender is willing to waive the appraisal.  This will save about $400 dollars in an appraisal fee (appraisal would have been $450, this way is about $50).  However, I tell buyer, this cost has already been included in your closing cost estimate, and should be covered by the CCA provided seller.  So why not go ahead and get the appraisal?  Then you will know.  Yes, we want the appraisal.

I call the lender and tell her the clients want the appraisal.  She says, but what if the value doesn't come in?  The buyers will have to come up with the difference!!  I say, "That is one way to deal with a bad appraisal, the other is the seller will have to meet the appraised amount."  And in this market, I want my buyers to have the best information AT THE TIME. Now, of couse I have already done a CMA and I don't see where there is going to be a problem, but I don't want that liability.  I feel (and told the lender) that I have to have my buyers best interest in mind and I am advising them to get the appraisal.  If there is a problem, we will deal with it.

What do you guys think about this? To appraise or not?  I say, my fiduciary duty requires me to do what I would want done.  And I would definately want an appraisal....  thoughts? 

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Cindy Hartman
Member Since '05

Cindy Hartman said:

Oh YES Shelly, I think you did exactly the right thing.  It's the buyer's decision, but they are looking to you for your opinion.  Your opinion in this case was the best for everyone.

Cindy

September 5, 2007 12:26 PM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

O yeah, get that appraisal. You do not want there to be any loose ends. And like you said, if the value isn't there you may have a renegotiation point with the seller.

NOW, if you had been asked this question by an agent who had been representing both parties, and that is a whole different subject, what would you have advised? Just curious. :)

September 5, 2007 12:57 PM
Mary Welch
Member Since '04

Mary Welch said:

I would have done the same. The lender said what if the value doesn't come in? The buyers lender? Strange question for someone on the note holding end of the deal. I would say appraisal even if paying cash so they know it is worth what the contract says.

September 5, 2007 1:33 PM
Barb  Van Stensel
Member Since '06

Barb Van Stensel said:

Get the appraisal!  You've got the comparables and I wouldn't sweat the appraisal.  It is what it is if the appraiser is knowledgeable and does a good job.  Comparing apples to apples.  

A lot of appraisals are coming in "low" because there has been seller assistance in the past and appraisals were "inflated" and hence the mortgage fallout.  

Shelly, make sure that the appaiser is qualified.  

September 5, 2007 2:01 PM
Joe Leksich
Member Since '06

Joe Leksich said:

FIRE the mortgage broker!  

The only thing they are interested in is getting a commission!  I can not believe they would think it is a bad thing to get the appraisal in fear that it won't appraise.  I would not want to sell my clients a lemon

September 5, 2007 3:16 PM
Howard Arnoff
Member Since '03

Howard Arnoff said:

Shelly, what kind of lender doesn't want the protection of an appraisal when lending money and of even more importance, what buyer would be penny wise and dollar foolish not to insist on an appraisal. You did the right thing as always.

September 5, 2007 3:53 PM
Craig Barrett
Member Since '07

Craig Barrett said:

Shelly, I say *YES* get the appraisal. I don't understand why the lender would inject such an opinion in the transaction anyway? It obviously is not in the best interest of the purchaser to not have an appraisal, regardless of the size of the down payment. Just because they have more money doesn't mean they should potentially pay more. IMO that's the lender's implication.

September 5, 2007 5:11 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Candice says:

NOW, if you had been asked this question by an agent who had been representing both parties, and that is a whole different subject, what would you have advised? Just curious. :)

Candice, that is easy for me.  I don't do dual agency so this wouldn't happen to me!!!

shelly

September 5, 2007 5:32 PM
Michael Klijanowicz
Member Since '07

Michael Klijanowicz said:

DEFINITELY YES GET THE APPRAISAL!  You don't want the liability along with a possible complaint to your local realtor association about how you did not look out for the BEST interest for your clients!

And I have to point this out because it happens way too much!  

IF ANY OF YOU READING THIS ARE NOT AGENTS AND WILL BE BUYING A HOME THEN PLEASE LISTEN TO WHO YOUR AGENT RECOMMENDS AS A LENDER SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN TO YOU!

September 6, 2007 11:28 AM
Dan  Grammatica, e-PRO
Member Since '05

Dan Grammatica, e-PRO said:

Yes, your right Shelly. Appraise it, especially when the buyers are putting a large downpayment. Just ask yourself.....what would I do if I were buying this unit? You would appraise it and probably would have put language in the P&S to cover a low appraisal.

Good Luck!

September 6, 2007 11:47 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

[Michael sez: IF ANY OF YOU READING THIS ARE NOT AGENTS AND WILL BE BUYING A HOME THEN PLEASE LISTEN TO WHO YOUR AGENT RECOMMENDS AS A LENDER. . .]

Or the list of professionals your broker provides. We don't want to recommend anyone specifically, really. Just the likelies who will be a good fit for the transaction and the client.

IMO, more times than not, a LOCAL lender is going to be the right one for your transaction. In MOST cases, an IN STATE lender is going to be right for your transaction. They know the 'tribal customs' of the locale and have access to the right support staff.

And in FEW cases will an out of state or online lender be right for your transaction unless it is a specialist for a unique or special property.

September 6, 2007 1:12 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Candice, I will add one more reason to use a local lender... the local lender knows that i know where he/she lives... the internet lender knows that I do not!!!  LOL!!  

In this case, the lender is a HUGE military credit union that I do a lot of work with.  And it surprised me when she said it.

shelly

September 6, 2007 7:54 PM
Mipeco Realty, Inc -  Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner
Member Since '03

Mipeco Realty, Inc - Michaela Krestenic, Broker-Owner said:

I can't even believe that a lender wouldn't want the appraisal to be done ... especially nowadays! ... no matter how much the buyers' are putting down. I would definitely recommend getting the appraisal!

September 6, 2007 9:29 PM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

you guys are some great agents!!  Everyone on of you would have done what I did and advise to get the appraisal done and protect our clients.  Now, where are those money hungry, bad agents I keep hearing about?  LOL!!  Thanks for your comments, I appreciate your thoughts and opinions.

Shelly

September 6, 2007 10:09 PM
Gregory Bain
Member Since '03

Gregory Bain said:

Shelly, I posted this on Mary's thread. Don't ask me why. But, I am one of those money hungry agents so I did a copy and paste for you.

Mary, something does not make sense to me. A mortgage without an appraisal? What kind of interest and terms comes with that salad?

I wish I had cashed in on the sub-prime mortgage sales. But, I'm just a dinosaur selling to people who can afford a home.

September 7, 2007 7:44 AM
Candice A Donofrio
Member Since '07

Candice A Donofrio said:

Yep Shellz "within choking distance" is number one in my wish list for a loan professional . . .

September 7, 2007 9:01 AM
Shelly  Constantz
Member Since '07

Shelly Constantz said:

Greg, actually they are getting the best mortgage and terms.  It is a absolutely NO appraisal... it is more like an internet appraisal (Zillow comes to mind) and only charge $50 for it.  Instead of the full on appraisal by a certified appraiser that visits the home and it costs $450 for that.

Because they have such good credit, they can get the best rates.

shelly

September 7, 2007 10:52 AM

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